Anyone else leave Cubase for Ableton?

[antic604]

But you seem to indicate that Bitwig has caught up.

As I said, "playing live" is not a uniform, pre-defined and fixed concept and for some forms Live is better, for others Bitwig might be - hence "probably"

[xbitz]

seems correct comparison to me
AL vs C
https://www.slant.co/versus/6424/6425/~ ... ubase-10-5
AL vs BWS
https://www.slant.co/versus/6424/6436/~ ... wig-studio

[xbitz]

yepp, this would be nice in BWS/AL

PRO Allows changing a pattern in one place to effect each instance of it
Using Parts, the Cubase DAW allows creating patterns that can be re-used as many times as needed, and can be edited in a single place.

with clip launcher / session view linking, about the outstanding EQ in AL part the new

is nice/quite useful in C10.5 too (BWS also knows it)
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AL PRO

PRO MIDI notes can be forced to a scale
With a simple plugin, Ableton allows the user to pick from a wide variety of scales when triggering notes.

Cubase also knows it

[dellboy]

seems correct comparison to me
AL vs C
https://www.slant.co/versus/6424/6425/~ ... ubase-10-5
AL vs BWS
https://www.slant.co/versus/6424/6436/~ ... wig-studio

Yeah, I already saw that "slant" community and concluded that it is indeed "slanted".

It does not appear to contain accurate information because it is community driven, and if one particular community wants to drive up there favorite product by contributing more whats stopping them ?

[tehlord]

I try FL studio once a year for 3 minutes and then delete it.

[dellboy]

As I said, "playing live" is not a uniform, pre-defined and fixed concept and for some forms Live is better, for others Bitwig might be - hence "probably"

There seem to be a lot of you-tubers using live to knock out pop songs pressing lots of buttons and looking cool.

And then I guess there are synthy people who might like to hear someone with a laptop playing live and pressing buttons and modulating whooshy sounds using Bitwig.

I could think of better ways to spend my time in both cases than watching that. But everyone to their own i guess.

[xbitz]

seems correct comparison to me
AL vs C
https://www.slant.co/versus/6424/6425/~ ... ubase-10-5
AL vs BWS
https://www.slant.co/versus/6424/6436/~ ... wig-studio

Yeah, I already saw that "slant" community and concluded that it is indeed "slanted".

It does not appear to contain accurate information because it is community driven, and if one particular community wants to drive up there favorite product by contributing more whats stopping them ?

I've only checked the pros and I also highlight the mentioned ones, sample handling > AL, MIDI handling(and mixing/mastering) > Cubase this is the main diff (modulation handling > BWS, FL Studio if you can play only on the mouse)

[antic604]

And then I guess there are synthy people who might like to hear someone with a laptop playing live and pressing buttons and modulating whooshy sounds using Bitwig.

Sure. I just watched below video of State Azure making a track in Bitwig, and it can basically be thought of as live performance, because the music never stops, all his choices seem to be deliberate and sound good, there's clear - and coherent - progression through it all. I never really thought of that, but this is a very typical way of working in Bitwig:

[dellboy]

Sure. I just watched below video of State Azure making a track in Bitwig, and it can basically be thought of as live performance, because the music never stops, all his choices seem to be deliberate and sound good, there's clear - and coherent - progression through it all. I never really thought of that, but this is a very typical way of working in Bitwig:

I had a quick dash through that video and the sounds that Bitwig generates are very good.

As to the performance we quickly run into the main problem with "clip" base stuff - repetition and not knowing when enough is enough.

The flutey sound soon got annoying - a few bars would do- not through the whole thing please.

This producer would do well to sit through some of the great classical composers like Beethoven, and Schubert , Mendleson , and learn how to be more structured and disciplined.

Having said that. it has promise as a synth version of a symphony,I quite liked it. A new genre.

[jclosed]

Well - I have to disappoint you, because I won't leave the Cubase platform for another platform that is based on a whole other concept. I want the best of both worlds, so I use both platforms! One for recording, mixing and mastering (Cubase), and one for experimenting and developing new musical ideas.
Another disappointment would be that I do not use Ableton Live any longer. I have done so for some years, and while it was a nice addition to my Cubase base platform, I never felt really comfortable in Ableton Live. I was keeping my eyes on Bitwig for some time, but never really tried it out until I got a free copy of the 8-track version together with my new MIDI keyboard. After playing around for a bit I felt immediately more "at home" then I ever felt in Ableton Live. Long story short - I sold my Live licence and used the money to upgrade my 8-track version of Bitwig to the full version. A decision I did not (and do not) regret.

So - Not only did I not leave my Cubase platform for Ableton Live. I even left Ableton Live for another platform, namely Bitwig.

I am now the very happy owner of both Cubase and Bitwig and I use both very often and in almost equal measure. As said - Cubase is used for recording, mixing and mastering (well - that last one only for the tiny bit I am capable of), while I use Bitwig for experimenting, developing musical ideas and (by using the grid) creating interesting sounds and instruments.

And there you have it...

[antic604]

Sure. I just watched below video of State Azure making a track in Bitwig, and it can basically be thought of as live performance, because the music never stops, all his choices seem to be deliberate and sound good, there's clear - and coherent - progression through it all. I never really thought of that, but this is a very typical way of working in Bitwig:

I had a quick dash through that video and the sounds that Bitwig generates are very good.

As to the performance we quickly run into the main problem with "clip" base stuff - repetition and not knowing when enough is enough.

The flutey sound soon got annoying - a few bars would do- not through the whole thing please.

This producer would do well to sit through some of the great classical composers like Beethoven, and Schubert , Mendleson , and learn how to be more structured and disciplined.

Having said that. it has promise as a synth version of a symphony,I quite liked it. A new genre.

But that's the thing - I'm not saying it was a performance, he was just creating a track live. But one COULD assume it was, because - unlike e.g. Cubase that continuously breaks playback - Bitwig invites this type of continuous workflow, even in Grid that intelligently connects modules "by itself" to never be silent. The border between production & performance gets blurry, although I totally agree with you this would function better as an 8 minutes piece, rather than 1 hour one

Listen to the guy's actually released music - he knows how to compose

[tooneba]

As I said, "playing live" is not a uniform, pre-defined and fixed concept and for some forms Live is better, for others Bitwig might be - hence "probably"

There seem to be a lot of you-tubers using live to knock out pop songs pressing lots of buttons and looking cool.

What are you expecting from social media celebrity DAW?... How can you impress viewers with complicated Cubase GUI showing lots of orchestration when you pressed spacebar? Instead, you need fancy colored GUI and flashy 100 pads controller to play pre recorded chords to be vibing. It's good thing. It's marketing, getting viewers is priority. Nothing wrong with it.

[dellboy]

But that's the thing - I'm not saying it was a performance, he was just creating a track live. But one COULD assume it was, because - unlike e.g. Cubase that continuously breaks playback - Bitwig invites this type of continuous workflow, even in Grid that intelligently connects modules "by itself" to never be silent.

I was not aware that Bitwig could continuously perform without stopping. Impressive if it works.

[xbitz]

clip-based workflow is different anyway

don't have to watch the whole just a couple of sec from 7:45

you can do magic with the 'next action' in both AL/BWS

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was also a good clip-based workflow demonstration

[liquidsound]

I thought people use DAWs to compose music