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jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:28 pm

a music is going to enjoy some form of cadence in the broader sense or just drone on monotonously with no break.
the analogy of punctuation in sentences should be enough to discern chord progression through itself is insufficient, as there is no musical activity to even look at, it's just this sort of building block.

a cadential formula is, rather than a general notion, a specific and definite action in harmonic, functional music.

A I-iv vamp, eg., is not even a chord progression in the classic sense. It enjoys no cadence through itself. for there to be interest, melody is going to tell a story; or rhythm is, or rhythm is going to support and enhance the story and propel it. The bass player is going to have 'cadence' happening in lines. So here is cadence galore in the overall sense of language.

as to 'formalized', EDM and these genres are formal, they use formula, are formulaic, et cetera. Academic formalization is a different subject.

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:04 pm

Well, they have a wide set of formula to chose from, but some will be indicative of style, e.g. the use of phrygian and locrian modes in Goa and late EBM while Eurotrance will preferably use modern (standard) modes. EDM covers a very wide set of formulas imo, and in principle none, which could not be used in some EDM approach or another. However, it depends on the scope of what is meant by EDM, but in my book this covers about every electronic genre, whether is is particularly danceable or just chilly ambient.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:07 pm

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:04 pm Well, they have a wide set of formula to chose from, but some will be indicative of style, e.g. the use of frygian and locrian modes in Goa and late EBM while Eurotrance will preferably use modern (standard) modes. EDM covers a very wide set of formulas imo, and in principle none, which could not be used in some EDM approach or another. However, it depends on the scope of what is meant by EDM, but in my book this covers about every electronic genre, whether is is particularly danceable or just chilly ambient.

bollocks!

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:10 pm

vurt wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:07 pm bollocks!

Besides, it cannot really be bollocks that EDM covers every electronic genre (even the non-tonal) in my book, whether you like my book or not, dance master

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:18 pm

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:10 pm
vurt wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:07 pm bollocks!

Besides, it cannot really be bollocks that EDM covers every electronic genre (even the non-tonal) in my book, whether you like my book or not, dance master

electronic music is a big tent, edm is small, and fits inside electronic music, not the other way around.

eg beatles, revolution number 9.
is electronic music in the purest sense, but as far from edm as you from alpha centauri.

the dude, does not abide

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:19 pm

i guess fux didn't cover that?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:21 pm

EDM is a boring f**king subject tho

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:22 pm

Aaaaaaaaaamen..

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:22 pm

shawshawraw · Post by **shawshawraw** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:30 pm

I love the misspelled word 'frygian' - sounds like a tasty fast food :p

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:31 pm

Oh, did I open a can of worms to be digested, or did I just kill the thread?

Well, Fux nothwithstanding, I may be completely ignorant to modern music, if so, it actually makes me proud, but I can hardly demand that you'd understand that. However, as far as I get EDM, I could sample and loop a snippet of your or Jan's moody soundsculpting art and attach a prefabed 4-2-ze-flour to the arse of it and call it EDM. Odin forbid, but I kind of got that impression about the minimal requirements for producing EDM. Thus, it is a pretty open ended category to me

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:34 pm

shawshawraw wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:30 pm I love the misspelled word 'frygian' - sounds like a tasty fast food :p

Oops. Half Danish Fry(gisk) and half English (Phry)gian. It does happen. Corrected. And yes, it does taste like fried chicken or so.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:34 pm

shawshawraw wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:30 pm I love the misspelled word 'frygian' - sounds like a tasty fast food :p

or something filthy sailors do in the rigging, when there's f**k all else to do

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:41 pm

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:31 pm Oh, did I open a can of worms to be digested, or did I just kill the thread?

Well, Fux nothwithstanding, I may be completely ignorant to modern music, if so, it actually makes me proud, but I can hardly demand that you'd understand that. However, as far as I get EDM, I could sample and loop a snippet of your or Jan's moody soundsculpting art and attach a prefabed 4-2-ze-flour to the arse of it and call it EDM. Odin forbid, but I kind of got that impression about the minimal requirements for producing EDM. Thus, it is a pretty open ended category to me

but many things have been sampled, including symphonic music, so does that make symphonies edm?

TribeOfHǫfuð · Post by **TribeOfHǫfuð** » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:47 pm

Yes, if you attach a beat to it or some other electronic stuff. Why not? My point is that EDM can be anything electronic, that includes a symphony with electrostuff attached to it. Surely, it also covers experimentel noises, which the audience just stand and sway too or whatever. I see no reason to restrict the term. It has always seemed like a superordinate category to me. If you want to restrict it to music with dance beats, go ahead, but this still leaves the doors open as to what is above the rhythm.

Cadences in Electronic Music & EDM