Cubase's sampler track - what's the advantage over typical sampler, if any?

[classic]

I think he's asking why is sampler track different to a sample being loaded on a timeline which seems interesting question.

No, I'm actually asking why they introduced sampler track instead of separate sampler device, like any DAW has - Ableton, Bitwig, Reason, Studio One, etc. I don't see any advantage but mostly drawbacks, for example I don't think you can easily replace instrument from sample track to a synth, because there's no device that you can remove and put something else in its place.

It just strikes me as a weird choice, but perhaps I don't understand the reasoning.

May be it is just a more simple thing to just grab a sample, drag it into the main window and have it ready for playing, insted of searching for your vst sampler, oben a new track and add it and then look for the sample you want and add it to the sample vst and then adjust all you need, mapping and so on and THEN use it.

I would like to have something like this in Studio One also, but........

[pixel85]

The one advantage I can think of is that it’s not yet another floating window like it would be as a plugin. I think they might have wanted to mimic some of the Ableton aesthetic while ignoring the rest of their floaty window paradigm that they have been known for.

For me this is the biggest disadvantage It's taking a lot of screen space while it could be waaay smaller.
But I don't like this entire "dock windows aesthetic".

but it can be undocked (top right) so both of you can be happy

Not really. You can undock it but you must keep the docked bottom window open. When you close it, the undocked window is also disappearing.

This + keeping Sampler as a separate track, not just another Instrument Track are really bizarre choices imo.

[antic604]

I would like to have something like this in Studio One also, but........

But you do have it already:
1) for a sample in browser -> right click it -> send to new SampleOne
2) for a sample already in arrangement -> right click it -> Audio -> Send to new SampleOne
3) for a MIDI clip in arrangement -> insert blank audio track -> drag MIDI clip on it (which bounces it to audio) -> repeat steps from #2

[xbitz]

The one advantage I can think of is that it’s not yet another floating window like it would be as a plugin. I think they might have wanted to mimic some of the Ableton aesthetic while ignoring the rest of their floaty window paradigm that they have been known for.

For me this is the biggest disadvantage It's taking a lot of screen space while it could be waaay smaller.
But I don't like this entire "dock windows aesthetic".

but it can be undocked (top right) so both of you can be happy

Not really. You can undock it but you must keep the docked bottom window open. When you close it, the undocked window is also disappearing.

This + keeping Sampler as a separate track, not just another Instrument Track are really bizarre choices imo.

yepp, can see but can be added to shortkeys (Edit VST Instrument + Open in Separate Window/Lower Zone together knows the trick) 'Edit VST Instrument' just opens the lower zone part but it's enough for me (use it always anyway)

[kritikon]

TBH I have never used the sampler track - never knew what it was and couldn't be arsed reading TFM to learn. Good post , as this made me pay attention. Song I'm currently working on - actually the sampler track would have been so much easier to use. I converted a Youtube vid into .wav to use as vocoder samples - it likely would have been an awful lot easier to just drag it into a sampler track than dick about the way I did to chop up the samples. I presume a sampler track can have the same output routing options as a standard audio track? (i.e. I could load a sampler track and use it to directly vocode without mucking around with other channels), and you can make it into proper parts to arrange?

I suspect learning what sampler tracks do is a moment for me.

[_leras]

What I don't like from the Sampler Track is the fact that if you save a track as a preset it doesn't save the sample with it (or in a folder beside) ....it only reference the sample ...so if you want to use it on another computer or change you setup you will lose your preset...

Always try and save samples in your project folder. You never know when you will want them in the future.

For drums Battery is great in this regard as you can save a kit with samples.

Can you really not save the sampler track into the project with the sample?

Or do you literally mean when making a preset?

[Jolaff]

What I don't like from the Sampler Track is the fact that if you save a track as a preset it doesn't save the sample with it (or in a folder beside) ....it only reference the sample ...so if you want to use it on another computer or change you setup you will lose your preset...

Always try and save samples in your project folder. You never know when you will want them in the future.

For drums Battery is great in this regard as you can save a kit with samples.

Can you really not save the sampler track into the project with the sample?

Or do you literally mean when making a preset?

Yes, when making a preset...

Let say you create a project at a location X on your drive.
Then, in that project, you create a Sampler Track with a sample.
The sample will be import automatically in the project folder.
Then, in "preset name" section, if you "Save Track Preset" it will create a preset file that refers to the sample which is located at X on your drive.

So if you then move your project folder to location Y, delete that project or use the preset on another computer, your preset will gives you a "missing file".