Is Logic Pro The Perfect DAW Or Are There Things To Improve?

[machinesworking]

No, he didn't.

But he presented a workaround as a stand-in for missing feature in a discussion about "perfect DAW".

Most people who use a DAW, you included will present a workaround when a "problem" is brought up. You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here.

Perfect DAW doesn't need workarounds, that only small minority knows how to use. And I'm not trying to suggest C1 or Cubase are better or more perfect, just trying to understand if the workaround is actually better than built-in native feature, in which case it would perhaps justify it being there.

Anyway, there's no perfect DAW, at least no objectively perfect.

Agreed, the title is clickbait, and I think he makes an objectively weak argument for Logic. Personally I'm getting pretty sick of fluff pieces in general. KVR and other forums will give a much broader perspective on a DAWs strengths and weaknesses than any Pro/Con, top five DAW hack job.

Part of the problem is there are at least 6 different reasons to use a DAW, and they all don't match up in terms of features needed. Off the top of my head:

Electronic music with little real time playing into it, or recordings of real instruments.

Recording studio centerpiece, recording live bands, comping, editing, mastering etc.

Film composition with orchestral scoring.

Experimental electronic music making.

Live performance.

Weekly TV or YouTube scoring background music, serial theatre production or church music etc.

No single DAW is the best at all of these (and the ones I missed). Plus the DAWs that can do all of these things take years to master, and arguably are marginal at a few of them compared to "that other DAW".

[ValliSoftware]

No chord track.

Learn scripter.
Here's a prototype I did with scripter...

And this is better from native features that S1 or Cubase have how?

I don't see where he wrote it's better?

No, he didn't. But he presented a workaround as a stand-in for missing feature in a discussion about "perfect DAW". Perfect DAW doesn't need workarounds, that only small minority knows how to use. And I'm not trying to suggest C1 or Cubase are better or more perfect, just trying to understand if the workaround is actually better than built-in native feature, in which case it would perhaps justify it being there.

Anyway, there's no perfect DAW, at least no objectively perfect.

It's not a workaround, I'm highlighting what's currently available in Logic Pro X, an item called MIDIFX Scripter.
https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpr ... 8c68f6/mac
Scripter doesn't do anything until a programmer thinks of an idea, designs it, writes it and as you see in the video, has fun with it.

Someone mentioned the missing chord tracker. We could spend endless posts back and forth regarding why Logic developers took it out. We could sit angry on the computer and vent hours of fustration at forums saying Apple sucks. If that's what you want to do, more power to you.
I'd rather extend the capiblity of Logic using the MIDIFX Scripter (and all the MIDIFX plug-ins in Logic) to discover new ways to make music.
I'll try to emphesis the point again, I can now explore chord progressions using a shit load of chord formulas and scales in any key in real time.
Did you also see, I'm using the Green Apple loops from Logic to play the chord progression. The Green Apple loops are not modified by me in the piano roll, they get run thru the scripts, I make the adjustments in the scripter code and they follow the chord progression.
I just accidently discovered in writing my scripter code, that I now have studio musicians waiting to play my chord progressions.
No wait, what happens if I use existing MIDI files from this thing called "The Internet", what can of worms did I just open up.
The time you spend on posts, could have been spent studying how to program.
You do the math, i'll do music.

[antic604]

No, he didn't.

But he presented a workaround as a stand-in for missing feature in a discussion about "perfect DAW".

Most people who use a DAW, you included will present a workaround when a "problem" is brought up. You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here.

Sure, but I don't think I ever presented a workaround as a proof that the DAW is perfect - quite the opposite, actually.

That's my only point. Perhaps clumsily worded.

[oneway]

Learn scripter.
Here's a prototype I did with scripter.

This looks amazing but the problem with it is many of us are musicians and not programmers. Luckily some people who made incredible add-on tools for Logic offer them for sale, like Gain Control and PlugSearch. I purchased those and they were both well worth the price. If your scripts went for sale I'd purchase them, but I doubt it'd be an efficient use of our collective time to script them ourselves.

[apoclypse]

No chord track.

Learn scripter.
Here's a prototype I did with scripter...

And this is better from native features that S1 or Cubase have how?

I don't see where he wrote it's better?

No, he didn't. But he presented a workaround as a stand-in for missing feature in a discussion about "perfect DAW". Perfect DAW doesn't need workarounds, that only small minority knows how to use. And I'm not trying to suggest C1 or Cubase are better or more perfect, just trying to understand if the workaround is actually better than built-in native feature, in which case it would perhaps justify it being there.

Anyway, there's no perfect DAW, at least no objectively perfect.

I mean by that logic (heh) half or most the tools in S1 which use Macros would be in the same boat. Perfect DAW or not, the DAW that gives you the capability to build your own tools when the developers can't be bothered is imo a pretty darn good DAW. How many people complain about Bitwig's Grid not being able to manipulate midi. Midi Scripter has been a part of Logic since whenever they introduced the midi plugins. Even though I hate Reaper (it's more about aesthetics for me than anything) I appreciate how extensible it is.

There is no perfect DAW but giving users the tools to be able to make it the perfect DAW for them is a good thing imo.

[jancivil]

No chord track.

Learn scripter.

LEARN CHORDS YOURSELF. Scripting is not musicianship, and you've shown it replaces it in your life. F that.

[machinesworking]

No chord track.

Learn scripter.

LEARN CHORDS YOURSELF. Scripting is not musicianship, and you've shown it replaces it in your life. F that.

It is, it's just not technical skill, at playing and doesn't call up on the fly knowledge of chords.

I think there's a huge bandwidth of people confused by the notion that not all music making requires an instrument and hours learning it. I'm not at all arguing for the quality of music produced in an engineering way, but the studio brought about tape splicing, modular synthesizers with step sequencers, arpeggiators, and now DAWs with piano rolls and pencil tools to paint in notes. There are algorithmic generators for all kinds of things musically, and I can't truthfully say I would want a world where only classical instruments existed. That would be boring.

I don't like most algorithmic music, or chord generators personally, but it certainly requires skill and knowledge of chord structure to write scripts. I'm not sure why people get upset? In the end we're all regurgitating what we learned whether by technical ability through practice or by writing a MIDI patch.

The problem is always the same really, whether it's some boring ass bar band puking out all the tropes of the Blues without adding a single thing to it, or THE MIDI PACK! as advertised on youtube every single time I play any DAW related video. People are lazy, and some will copy straight from the Cliff Notes.

[machinesworking]

Sure, but I don't think I ever presented a workaround as a proof that the DAW is perfect - quite the opposite, actually.

That's my only point. Perhaps clumsily worded.

That's why I said you're jumping to conclusions here. When did he say this was proof that Logic was perfect? Me posting something positive about Logic in this thread does not automagically make me posting proof that Logic is perfect, it's not how it works at all.

[antic604]

Sure, but I don't think I ever presented a workaround as a proof that the DAW is perfect - quite the opposite, actually.

That's my only point. Perhaps clumsily worded.

That's why I said you're jumping to conclusions here. When did he say this was proof that Logic was perfect? Me posting something positive about Logic in this thread does not automagically make me posting proof that Logic is perfect, it's not how it works at all.

He replied to someone else saying Logic won't be perfect until it has some form of chord track / harmonic editing. So obviously he means it's perfect, because it already "has" that (via his script).

[pdxindy]

Nobody would actually want a perfect DAW..... cause then there would be nothing to complain about.....

[pbognar]

No chord track.

Learn scripter.

LEARN CHORDS YOURSELF. Scripting is not musicianship, and you've shown it replaces it in your life. F that.

It is, it's just not technical skill, at playing and doesn't call up on the fly knowledge of chords.

I think there's a huge bandwidth of people confused by the notion that not all music making requires an instrument and hours learning it. I'm not at all arguing for the quality of music produced in an engineering way, but the studio brought about tape splicing, modular synthesizers with step sequencers, arpeggiators, and now DAWs with piano rolls and pencil tools to paint in notes. There are algorithmic generators for all kinds of things musically, and I can't truthfully say I would want a world where only classical instruments existed. That would be boring.

I don't like most algorithmic music, or chord generators personally, but it certainly requires skill and knowledge of chord structure to write scripts. I'm not sure why people get upset? In the end we're all regurgitating what we learned whether by technical ability through practice or by writing a MIDI patch.

The problem is always the same really, whether it's some boring ass bar band puking out all the tropes of the Blues without adding a single thing to it, or THE MIDI PACK! as advertised on youtube every single time I play any DAW related video. People are lazy, and some will copy straight from the Cliff Notes.

I was merely pointing out a popular feature which exists in Cubase and Studio One, the benefit of which is being able to prototype tunes with chords you come up with however you want. Having MIDI and audio snap to a chord track is a powerful compositional tool.

Funny - "purists" don't seem to have any issue with the Drummer, Flextime, Live Loops or quantization for that matter. Perhaps the answer is to go back to using reel to reel tape machines and ignore all the advances which have been made.

[vertibration]

Logic Piano roll and tool system is atrocious. I absolutely hate DAWs that use a pop up Qwerty keyboard as well. Live, FL, Bitwig and even Luna have a button you press and no pop up window.

Logic also kept their outdated native plugins, and they are horrifying to look at.

[ValliSoftware]

Find various scripts I've done here.
https://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/view ... e20db2022a

[jancivil]

apparently now they do have the port and channel in the MIDI track so they're addressing the problem after all

[jancivil]

I'm specifically referring to shit that individual - Valli Software - has said very plainly in the music theory board, they struggle with knowing what chord so they assert a 'solution' to it by writing software, algorithms rule ok.

it's bullshit, and no one likes to be fitted into someone's argument as a strawman (that's a rant way past what the point of saying that is), that's way patronizing and took a shot where there isn't one to make. you can kiss my entire ass "people confused by the notion that not all music making requires an instrument". See if you can find out where a person is coming from or means - or what they've done, hey - rather than jump to your conclusion. That's not a sign of being more on top, jumping to conclusions is actually just stupid.

I went from being a classical performer - >40 yrs ago, jr - to majoring in tape music. and started making music before I could play much or anything, with tape. Splendid strawman argument