KVR Audio

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:34 pm

gruberman wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:16 pm
T-CM11 wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:05 am FL Studio now uses Hardware-based DRM (like Challenge Response). Assholes!

I'll just keep using the older version, or find some 'other' way to back up the software
Assholes? f**k you too.

both of you get one warning, this is going to be an active discussion...this kinda stuff is not happening, I am subscribed and have very few places to be before Monday.

fairlyclose · Post by **fairlyclose** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:53 pm

Is there still no simple crossfading audio clips?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:15 pm

dermichl wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:56 pm That‘s quite easy: you explain to us that you have to take measures against cracks (which everybody does understand!) but you impose extra obstacles onto the paying customers and always take your life time free updates as an excuse. So you offload your risks as company onto your customers (that paid good money). qed

Unfortunately the actions of a few always make it worse for the trustworthy. Noticed how much more hassle flying was after 911? Or even the fact cars need a key.

Anyhow, the new offline unlock is not exactly offloading risks. Yes I agree it imposes a small extra burden on the customer.

1. Click a button in FL Studio to save the machine ID file
2. When you click Download Regkey on our site you click another to upload it.

Two extra clicks and a little messing about. All major DAWs with offline unlock capability do something similar. Given how rarely you need to do this (and I now need to do it too now), I think you are complaining overly much. Yes it sucks (a little). But you get used to it pretty quickly.

But how else can we stop regkey sharing? I would be interested in a method that would fix the problem of them being shared, yet adds no additional burden to the customer? If there was one we would have used it.

The other alternative was to stop offline unlocking. Connect you computer to the internet for 1 minute and login on the about panel then disconnect it again.

But that really (for some) is offloading risk, if they really don't want their machines online. So we went with machine IDs.

On the other side, if you are online. We made it even easer using the equivalent of a Web token so you don't need to keep re-entering your details to unlock FL Studio. Just click one button.

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:18 pm

fairlyclose wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:53 pm Is there still no simple crossfading audio clips?

FL Studio 21.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:35 pm

Image-Line wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:18 pm
fairlyclose wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:53 pm Is there still no simple crossfading audio clips?
FL Studio 21.

This is what we want to hear!!!

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:39 pm

Poor donkey still wants his midi humanize/randomize note position...

I do love the new audio recording/handling stuff stuff though. Nothing you couldn't do previously, but a hell of a lot quicker now.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:42 pm

Image-Line wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:14 pm
sjm wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:42 am
Image-Line wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:02 am The problem we are facing is that people are sharing Regkeys. By the 10,000's of installations.

What do yo propose?
Update the EULA with measures in place to safeguard our ability to use the software in the event that IL go out of business. Ideally some sort of software escrow or similar process in place to provide access to a DRM-free version/the source code in the event of a worst case scenario.
That is something we are considering. Since we know this change would scare a few people.

But it doesn't really change anything in the long-run. Bit rot gets all software sooner or later even with these measures in place. If you are on macOS Apple Silicon is a great example of just such an event.

Windows may also end up on ARM.

Bit rot is overestimated in my opinion, at least when it comes to the PC platform. It is still today very possible and not all that hard to build a genuine old 286 based computer. Heck, I still have 3 working 386 based systems in my cellar (last time I checked they worked was a couple of years ago) so you CAN in fact have software of yesteryear working just fine for half a century as long as the original product (the computer) was a huge success and millions of components were manufactured for it.

Software copy protection is much more volatile though. Just in the music software business there are now tons of examples of software that simply doesn't run any more unless you go to old warez releases. Ironically this illegal activity has kept the history of audio software viable, better than the various defunct companies themselves.

Still, having said that, personally I think Image-Line falls into a unique category of excellence when it comes to commitment to the userbase. You have actually 100% kept your word on pretty much exactly everything you've ever promised.. and this is rare! I've been a user since the very first publicly sold version of FruityLoops and can testify to the absolute authenticity of your company and policies and at least from my perspective, things have only become better over the decades. You guys are absolutely awesome and deserve massive respect!

fairlyclose · Post by **fairlyclose** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:51 pm

Image-Line wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 10:18 pm
fairlyclose wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:53 pm Is there still no simple crossfading audio clips?
FL Studio 21.

Complete gamechanger for me using FL

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:49 am

All exciting and wonderful advancements!

SamDi · Post by **SamDi** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:46 pm

dermichl wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:56 pm
Image-Line wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:11 pm
dermichl wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:29 am IL are rather Infamous for offloading their commercial risks onto the paying customers!!!
Example?

We are famous for being the most generous DAW on the block. And proud of it.
That‘s quite easy: you explain to us that you have to take measures against cracks (which everybody does understand!) but you impose extra obstacles onto the paying customers and always take your life time free updates as an excuse. So you offload your risks as company onto your customers (that paid good money). qed

Your logic at this point is pretty weird…

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:04 pm

IL is one of the very few devs i'm happy to deal with. Great product, great people! Glad to be a customer and support this wonderful product!

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:14 pm

I may be a minority but these gig updates are starting to kill me with my inconsistent 3.3 Mbps connection.

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:22 pm

mladi wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:04 pmIL is one of the very few devs i'm happy to deal with. Great product, great people! Glad to be a customer and support this wonderful product!

Support is great, the staff is amongst the friendliest and nicest around.
That being said, management isn't. Decisions on that level aren't made to make customers happy on the long run, it's about making the quickest buck.

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:32 am

sQeetz wrote: Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:22 pm That being said, management isn't. Decisions on that level aren't made to make customers happy on the long run, it's about making the quickest buck.

Care you list some of these decisions?

The last thing we do is aim for a quick buck. We tend to think in 5 year time-frames for payoff. So interesting to see what you think these are?

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:02 am

I really do not get how anyone can say anything bad about Image-Line.

I hated to see them abandon their VST development (but of course I don't know what their plans are, or what the future holds there). Everything they are doing is fantastic and FL Studio is as strong as any DAW. It has its own unique workflow and NO dev beats their lifetime free updates. NO dev (ok, fullbucketmusic excluded, ha).

Seriously IL is anything but a cash grab.

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