KVR Audio

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:30 pm

Is this version at last stable on OSX ?
Previous versions were unstable so I stopped licencing since tracktion 7 as each next demo versions I downloaded since T7 crashed within a few minutes on y mac.

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:52 pm

I had the same issue as recently as 10. I gave up on it as well. Couldn't trust it. Supposedly, the audio engine is a complete rewrite. I haven't really put it through its paces, but so far it hasn't crashed once. Maybe 2 hours, some audio, some MIDI.I'll report back with anything I find.

Lutin mutin · Post by **Lutin mutin** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:53 pm

@dupont

Eventually a problem on your personal mac ? (just an hypothesis...)

I'm on mac and Tracktion T1 since 2002, and (except the Mackie T3... no comment...) - I omn all updates since T1 to W12 Pro - Tracktion has never crashed here. Sometimes, more or less bugs. Ok.
But crashes, never.

And I have now Waveform 12 Pro (upgraded paid version).
For the moment, I have found any bugs or plugin(s) incompatibility or plugin(s) bug(s).

My 2 cents

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:36 pm

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just crashed it. Just disappeared without a trace when I was trying to find out why one track group/folder wasn't playing when it appeared it should. I think I was in the group properties dialog. There's one plug-in, Gullfoss on the master track, otherwise there's nothing but imported audio files/audio tracks.

Loaded the project back up and I guess there's something I don't understand about solo/mute because resetting solo/mutes/solo isolate facilitated normal behavior.

As to never having had a crash Lutin mutin, you must be the luckiest user ever. Every version I've tried has crashed and I'm hardly alone from what I've heard and read.

It's really a shame. I do like the interface and a lot of the stuff, but it just won't behave. Damn.

jjpscott01 · Post by **jjpscott01** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:41 pm

For what its worth to others, I purchased the upgrade after demoing it for 3 days because I absolutely love this version.

Its by far the most stable version of Waveform/tracktion for me(I'm on Windows 10/Ryzen based system). It looks great, feels quick and refined, and the new midi updating features alone are worth the cost. Midi felt clunky or unfinished in previous versions and now I feel completely at home working with midi in Waveform.

My plugins are all working like they should which was also a big drawback in the past. Also, I was able to get my Nektar keyboard controller working in a matter of minutes. Its very cpu efficient and seems to play nice with my Ryzen based system which is really cool. I also installed this on my Windows 11 PC at work and it works just as smoothly on that system which is nice to know if I were to upgrade this machine to 11 in the near future.

I know everyone's experience will be different but at least on my end this release seems like a winner.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:10 am

What is the upgrade price from 11 pro to 12? I didn't see it on the site and got no response from Tracktion.

3lu5iv3 · Post by **3lu5iv3** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:05 am

Musical Gym wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:10 am What is the upgrade price from 11 pro to 12? I didn't see it on the site and got no response from Tracktion.

$200?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... music.html

pough · Post by **pough** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:43 am

There are 3 levels and that one is the middle one. The basic upgrade is $99 USD and there is a 20% with a code that they emailed out. The upgrades page is absurdly hard to find.

https://marketplace.tracktion.com/wavef ... rades.html

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:11 am

thanks guys

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:29 am

Am I stupid or is there really no way to engage record on the fly while playing?
On every other DAW you have loop playing and want to add some notes while it is playing, you hit record, the song continues playing, you play the notes, disable record, the song keeps playing with the newly added notes.
Not so in Waveform. the song/loop always restarts. That's odd.

Lutin mutin · Post by **Lutin mutin** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:53 am

@sQeetz
The "recording function during playing" you are talking about seems (in my point of view) to be a kind of "punch in / punch out" function. Or a "comping" recording function.
If it is the case, both exist in Waveform...

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 12:39 pm

Lutin mutin wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:53 am @sQeetz
The "recording function during playing" you are talking about seems (in my point of view) to be a kind of "punch in / punch out" function. Or a "comping" recording function.
If it is the case, both exist in Waveform...

It's not quite that. When Punch is enabled, I get the message that you can have either Punch In/Out OR Loop Recording but not both. And no comping: I want to add notes to the active clip while it's looping. So a manual Punch IN/OUT (record) without stopping the running loop. This can be done in every DAW I have ever used. Not in Waveform... weird.

Watchful · Post by **Watchful** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:41 pm

So, for example, you're saying if laying down a drum track--you lay down your kicks... then it loops back so you can lay down your snares...then your hats... in other words, additive sequencing, with each pass letting you add on more material.

It's weird, but I think you're right. I have no idea how to do that in Waveform. (I don't sequence MIDI that way myself, so never noticed!) I'd argue it goes back way before DAWS--we used to do drum computers like that back in the 1980s. Since I don't use the step clip function, I don't know if that's the solution, either. Obviously, you could easily do this with more than just drum tracks, so I hear you.

I can't imagine this was overlooked, so I'm hopeful someone can correct me on how to do it.

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:47 pm

Watchful wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:41 pm So, for example, you're saying if laying down a drum track--you lay down your kicks... then it loops back so you can lay down your snares...then your hats... in other words, additive sequencing, with each pass letting you add on more material.

Yes. But I usually start with a 2 or 4 bar loop. I keep adding to that loop. Then a rough arrangement. Then I change the loop points to where the arrangement needs attention. At this point I mouse stuff in & out but also like to just add some idea I have with the keyboard. So I hit record (while it is looping) record some stuff, stop record and it all keeps going without interruption.
Then I move the loop points again and again and keep doing it until I have something nice. Worth noting is that I don't loop the whole thing again and again and add one instrument at a time. That would be silly. The loop I focus on is always something between 1-8 bars. Of course sometimes I disable the loop and/or listen to the whole thing from the beginning to see/hear "the bigger picture"...
Never thought of it being sort of an odd way of composing music

bermudagold · Post by **bermudagold** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 11:58 pm

sQeetz wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:29 am Am I stupid or is there really no way to engage record on the fly while playing?
On every other DAW you have loop playing and want to add some notes while it is playing, you hit record, the song continues playing, you play the notes, disable record, the song keeps playing with the newly added notes.
Not so in Waveform. the song/loop always restarts. That's odd.

yeah...unfortunately every DAW has a taxonomy/ontology and workflow philosophy that has to be learned in order to better guess the most likely place to look for something when you cant find it...Ableton had a single button "overdub" toggle centered in the middle of the display with the transport control bar...thought it was fairly intuitive and worked well

Tracktion offers more options but maps them as relevant to the "midi input" function...click the track midi input and several record "actions" will be selectable including the one you want...check 3:00 in the first video...you could also use "retrospective record"...check the second video

there is always a tradeoff between power/flexibility and ease of use...there is no getting around it...it's rare to achieve both...generally when you want power/flexibility, you end up making the easy stuff harder (more steps); as a sacrifice to make the hard stuff easier (less steps)...steps being both actual (mouse clicks) and cognitive (charting a path of means to an ends deterministically)