CLAP: The New Audio Plug-in Standard (by U-he, Bitwig and others)

[aMUSEd]

Huh, no. If host supports .clap you just load it outright. Like any other plugin type. But it is likely that in the future you could be loading, say, a VST2 or VST3 or AU, but it's actually a CLAP plugin served to you through a wrapper that you don't see in any way. It's completely transparent.

If that's the case though wouldn't it lack a lot of the Clever CLAP features?

[zvenx]

I am curious, and I dont know what license if any juce had to sign with steinberg to be able to 'spit out' vst3 from its framework, but assuming they did, wouldn't a clap framework require a similar license and can't SB deny that license?
Rsp

[aMUSEd]

The list of companies already interested is fantastic, too. (esp Xfer, Vital, Valhalla, and FabFilter!)

Yes, those companies almost cover all my plugins (along with u-he). Add in Plasmonic and Oddsound (which is on the list) and I'm set... be cool to have all CLAP plugins

I can't see Tone2 on that list but could have sworn Markus had expressed interest

[EvilDragon]

If that's the case though wouldn't it lack a lot of the Clever CLAP features?

That's a given when you're using a wrapper. But the point here is to have your build system not dependant on a deprecated format.

[EvilDragon]

I am curious, and I dont know what license if any juce had to sign with steinberg to be able to 'spit out' vst3 from its framework, but assuming they did, wouldn't a clap framework require a similar license and can't SB deny that license?
Rsp

AFAIK, If you're building VST3 under GPL3, you don't need anything from Steinberg. If you're building a commercial VST3 plugin and using JUCE, you need to have a license for JUCE AND a VST3 license from Steinberg.

Steinberg cannot do anything regarding an existing plugin vendor providing a CLAP-to-VST2 wrapper. ABI is not copyrightable.

[Digivolt]

So is this going to replace VST or did I misunderstand and it's more like a shell format for the VST's to play nicer within hosts and offer better modulation options ?

It's an alternative. A choice.

It's a replacement if I choose to use it over VST

[HcDoom]

Excellent news - lower cpu, less crashes, per voice modulation - wow! Hopefully, Presonus S1 will follow soon with clap support!

[Boy Wonder]

I wonder: Will someone make a VST2 or VST3>CLAP wrapper? And if so, would it give the VST the full functionality of CLAP?

[Xenakios]

I wonder: Will someone make a VST2 or VST3>CLAP wrapper? And if so, would it give the VST the full functionality of CLAP?

No, it doesn't work that way.

[noiseboyuk]

Huh, no. If host supports .clap you just load it outright. Like any other plugin type. But it is likely that in the future you could be loading, say, a VST2 or VST3 or AU, but it's actually a CLAP plugin served to you through a wrapper that you don't see in any way. It's completely transparent.

Great, finally got it - thanks Mario.

[Lady Gaia]

Color me amused. There haven't been any major shake-ups in plug-in formats for a decade or so, and shortly after I release a utility to help people review their plug-in collection - we get a new format. Of course what would amuse me even more is to release official support for it the very same day: done.

For those who haven't already run across it elsewhere, PlugInfo is a lightweight macOS that quickly finds all your installed plug-ins and reveals information about their version, what native architectures are supported, what type they are, who published them, etc. You can even export details in case you're the type to manage a spreadsheet, filter and sort to your heart's content, and quickly select them in Finder to dispose of overzealous installations of types you don't use:



It's available both as a free download from my ThinkerSnacks site, and from the App Store for those who would like the auto-update mechanism or just a way to say thanks if they find it useful.

[zvenx]

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Steinberg cannot do anything regarding an existing plugin vendor providing a CLAP-to-VST2 wrapper. ABI is not copyrightable.

I assume you meant clap to vst3?
Thanks
rsp

[rod_zero]

I am actually very surprised avid is in that list and ableton isn't, hope Ableton adopts it eventually since they were the ones dragging their feet the most with VST2 to VST3.

[EvilDragon]

I assume you meant clap to vst3?

No I meant VST2. But any other format is fine too, VST3, AU, AAX, even LV2. All those wrappers are technically possible.

What I meant is - if we have a company that has signed the VST2 SDK contract with Steinberg before (what was it?) August 2018, that company is free to make this sort of wrapper and put it to market for other plugin vendors to use and Steiny can't do anything about it, really.

Well ok - they can try and for real terminate that contract by updating the VST3 SDK contract (like they already attempted once and riled up a bunch of plugin developers which made them backtrack), but again - an ABI is not copyrightable and can be freely reverse engineered (there's court precedent for this).

[j wazza]

I guess there is the voice stacking but I’m not huge into unison sounds anyways.

do clap plugins work with bitwig's voice stacking?