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random · Post by **random** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:34 pm

The main reason is I really hate the way the PC hosts handle VST automation. Logic does it the way you'd expect - each parameter displayed in its own lane and easily moved along with the clip. You'll be surprised how much this hurts in Sonar or Cubase. It's also fairly easy to convert midi cc data to a normal vst parameter automation track.

huh?

SX and Nuendo both do exactly this. When you activate automation for a VST instrument they become available within the VST instrument track lane. The same applies for a VST effect plugin, except those automation lanes appear within the audio track lane that the plugin is inserted on.

you just use the +/- button to drop down an automation lane and you can choose whichever automation parameter you would like to see and edit for that lane. IF you need more automation track lanes, you just click again the + button and another lane appears for whatever you like. you can have a lane for every single automatable parameter available within the VST instrument or plugin.

it amazes me how many times you see people switch an application, when it was the fact that they didn't know how to do something within the app.

What's even more interesting is Nuendo v1.x has had this way before Logic had this first implemented in Logic 5/6. Cubase SX 1 was the first version to have brought this style of advanced automation into the Cubase realm.

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:54 pm

random wrote:
The main reason is I really hate the way the PC hosts handle VST automation. Logic does it the way you'd expect - each parameter displayed in its own lane and easily moved along with the clip. You'll be surprised how much this hurts in Sonar or Cubase. It's also fairly easy to convert midi cc data to a normal vst parameter automation track.
huh?

SX and Nuendo both do exactly this. When you activate automation for a VST instrument they become available within the VST instrument track lane.

I know. I like the SX automation in this respect much better than Sonar's. Where it breaks down is in moving the automation data around with the midi clip it's initially associated with. There's no easy way to do this in SX and the forums are full of people grousing about it. Logic just does what you'd expect when you start dragging the midi clip around.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:37 am

ttoz, promise me you don't watch Idol. Please. I can't even handle the promo's, it has all but stopped me from watching channel 10 at all.

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ugo · Post by **ugo** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:09 am

wow...hell hath frozen over!
welcome back theo.

-ugo

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:15 am

ttoz wrote:
egbert wrote:
spaceman wrote:
DHR53 wrote:It's a sad day... George Bush likes PCs, you know...
... but he's dumb enough to use a Mac
Yeah well he's probably gotten used to just having just one button by now - you know, the one that flashes red after you butt your cigar out on it.
never did. had a microsoft mouse plugged into the mac, which, with osx, automatically is detetcted and gives you a whole bunch of right click functions and everything..alot of people don't seem to know this is possible!

I was talkin' 'bout Dubya, not you TTOZ

Funny thing about the Mac - they still act as though the one button mouse is "state of the art". It looks like the old "not invented here" syndrome.

Eg

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:40 am

egbert wrote:Funny thing about the Mac - they still act as though the one button mouse is "state of the art". It looks like the old "not invented here" syndrome.

Do all mice on Macs only have one button? I thought it was bad that some PC mice only had two buttons!

I'd actually like to see 5-button mice. We have 5 fingers, darn it. Let's put them all to work!

Operating a computer with the typical mouse-GUI interface is a bit like controlling a complicated analog synth with only one knob and two buttons--only it's much worse.

take care,
McLilith

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:55 am

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scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:39 am

welcome back.

now , don't do anything as bloody stupid as that ever again

gruberman · Post by **gruberman** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:43 am

McLilith wrote: I'd actually like to see 5-button mice. We have 5 fingers, darn it. Let's put them all to work!

http://www.razerzone.com/diamondback.html

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:51 am

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:05 am

McLilith wrote:I'd actually like to see 5-button mice. We have 5 fingers, darn it. Let's put them all to work!

I just counted 8 on the Logitech I'm using here at work and the Microsoft mouse I have at home has 5, but 3 of them are on the thumb side!?! I just recently had to deal with a two button mouse for the first time in ages and I have to say that its the scroll-wheel I miss more than anything, despite the fact that I've only been using one for a couple of years, or maybe even less.

The mouse is the most obvious but Apple's attitude to a lot of things is mystifying to me. At times its as if they really don't want to be taken seriously. e.g. The Cube - it was really quiet but if you accidentally left it on overnight, because you couldn't hear that it was running, it overheated and was totally f**king useless for the whole next morning. BRILLIANT!

Hell freezes over..TTOZ ditches logic and his mac for SX2 PC