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duncanparsons wrote:wrt to Gilmour, Mason, Waters, Wright = PF, what happened in 1987 and 1994, with associated world tours, then? Waters is something of a bitter bucket with whom they have done perfectly well without. Gilmour's contributions to the writing has always been patchy, but tbh, it's those patches which I have always enjoyed the most. Waters lyrics got rather lost and nihilistic, and whilst I understand the lack of a father thing, thanks rog, but can we talk about something else now?
C'mon - PF as we know and love them ceased to exist when RW really took over (around Animals and certainly by The Wall).

Everything since is just fat, middle-aged men making a buck (and more power to them but it ain't PF).

As I said before, it was that combination of Waters (lyrics and driving force), Gilmour, Wright and Mason which burnt SO creatively and brightly 1970-77.

Nothing any of them has done since could hold a candle to that stuff.

BC
If God did exist (and he doesn't) he would answer to the name of Maurizio
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mister bunko wrote: Kidding aside, RW was a better-than average Hammond player.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it mostly Farfisa that he played?


Anyway, I'm in the "from 1966 up to Ummagumma was best" crowd, so most of the "Top 40" Floyd fans think I'm a utter twat. :lol: Don't get me wrong, later Floyd is great, but I'd much rather listen to stuff like Vegetable Man, or the all powerful 17min freakout of Interstellar Overdrive.
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Regardless how you view Floyd, as a band it had an almost mythical persona which seemed to transcend the actual members of it - I remember at the Momentary Lapse of Reason gig at Wembley, there were hundreds of people wearing "Who the f**k is Roger, Anyway?" T-shirts, as if it didn't matter who was in the band as long as there was a band. Their concerts were always full of people who weren't actually fans but just wanted to experience a legendary PF gig, and just so they could claim "I was There!".

Roger always got a slagging for being a depressive SOB, but I always felt he was a astute observer of the human condition - Animals and The Final Cut being two good examples.

All the Best... Jez (mourning the passing of a phenomenon) :(
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basic channel wrote:I am probably in the minority here never really liking The Wall.

I mean I've got it and it's alright but too overblown, pompous and Waters-dominated for my taste.
Minority or not, I agree. :)
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Anyway, I'm in the "from 1966 up to Ummagumma was best" crowd, so most of the "Top 40" Floyd fans think I'm a utter twat. Don't get me wrong, later Floyd is great, but I'd much rather listen to stuff like Vegetable Man, or the all powerful 17min freakout of Interstellar Overdrive.
maybe I should just leave this thread alone
nah,
those very early albums, one has to remember nobody else was doing anything remotely like that at the time. 10 minute songs were very rare and Syd and company invented a certain form of space psychedelia while parallel working on a whole lot of other more common structures.
it was huge burst of creativity of how to fill up a certain sonic space. And like I said earlier I think tey all learned a great deal about arranging and layering in that era. Then with 'Dark Side of the Moon' it was like the rediscovery of the power of silence. Think how much is quiet on that album -- setting up the dynamics and setting up 'dramatic' tension.
During all this (even through I still say nobody was all that technically brilliant) Gilmour did evolve into a great guitar player. My feeling is it was based on the tone he set and managed.
I remember a friend of mine working for weeks to get all the notes right to a Clapton rendition of 'Crossroads'. When he finally was certain he had the notes right he was greatly disappointed it didn't sound anything like Clapton. It was another level entirely to get the fingers working properly to learn and do the many many subtle things of attack and bend and vibrate to generate a great tone. Lots of players think it's just the right combination of fx boxes and gear, but it comes down to the fingers, head and heart. And I'm more than happy to give Gilmour his due on that.
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as long as no one in this thread tries to say that Division Bells is a good album.....



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My 2 Cents

Piper at the Gates of Dawn - poo
Saucerful of Secrets - return of the poo
Meddle - 8)
Ummagumma - 8) ish
Animals - 8) 8) 8)
Dark Side of the Moon - 8) 8) 8)
Wish You Were Here - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The Wall - 8) 8)
Everything afterwards - tepid poo

I know I've missed a fair few out and I may have the timeline wrong, but note the cunning use of a 8) rating and a poo system...
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CypherOne wrote:My 2 Cents

Piper at the Gates of Dawn - poo
Saucerful of Secrets - return of the poo
Meddle - 8)
Ummagumma - 8) ish
Animals - 8) 8) 8)
Wish You Were Here - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Dark Side of the Moon - 8) 8) 8)
The Wall - 8) 8)
Everything afterwards - tepid poo

I know I've missed a fair few out and I may have the timeline wrong, but note the cunning use of a 8) rating and a poo system...
A thoroughly informative and sensible rating system. Think you got WYWH and DSOTM the wrong way round though.... 8)

And you're well off the mark with Meddle 8) 8)

BC
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CypherOne wrote:
I know I've missed a fair few out and I may have the timeline wrong, but note the cunning use of a 8) rating and a poo system...

unbelieveable how smart this guy is, whoohoo :lol:
sound is vibration, vibration is life
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Devision Bell was fine....

You gotta realise that people and bands change. Should we really criticise and judge people who are doing what we all would hope to..... growing as musicians.

I wouldn't listen to Floyd if every album they did sounded like early Floyd etc. The thing I like about the band and the people that have been or are in it is that they make a statement then move on.

Of course you can't compare albums like The Wall and Division Bell... I like them both for different reasons.

Passion and belief.... do not make you right. (sounds a bit like christianity to me, zealots all of us)
I play guitar
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I'd suggest that PF go the way of so many bands and artists -

mediocrity
ascent to superstardom and greatness
slow decline back to mediocrity

probably best summed up in Trainspotting with the discussion about Velvet Underground and Lou Reed.
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rsmus7 soon at manc wrote:
CypherOne wrote:
I know I've missed a fair few out and I may have the timeline wrong, but note the cunning use of a 8) rating and a poo system...

unbelieveable how smart this guy is, whoohoo :lol:
and stupid enough to say thanks Stephan :)
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CypherOne wrote:My 2 Cents

Piper at the Gates of Dawn - poo
Saucerful of Secrets - return of the poo
Meddle - 8)
Ummagumma - 8) ish
Animals - 8) 8) 8)
Dark Side of the Moon - 8) 8) 8)
Wish You Were Here - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The Wall - 8) 8)
Everything afterwards - tepid poo

I know I've missed a fair few out and I may have the timeline wrong, but note the cunning use of a 8) rating and a poo system...

Must have a go at this myself:

Piper at the Gates of Dawn - 8)
Saucerful of Secrets - 8)
Meddle - 8) 8)
Ummagumma - 8) ish
More - 8) 8) 8) 8)
Atom Heart Mother 8) 8) 8)
Animals - 8) and an extra ish
Dark Side of the Moon - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Wish You Were Here - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The Wall - 8) 8) 8)
Relics - 8) 8)
Everything afterwards - lost interest
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aMUSEd wrote:
CypherOne wrote:My 2 Cents

Piper at the Gates of Dawn - poo
Saucerful of Secrets - return of the poo
Meddle - 8)
Ummagumma - 8) ish
Animals - 8) 8) 8)
Dark Side of the Moon - 8) 8) 8)
Wish You Were Here - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The Wall - 8) 8)
Everything afterwards - tepid poo

I know I've missed a fair few out and I may have the timeline wrong, but note the cunning use of a 8) rating and a poo system...

Must have a go at this myself:

Piper at the Gates of Dawn - 8)
Saucerful of Secrets - 8)
Meddle - 8) 8)
Ummagumma - 8) ish
More - 8) 8) 8) 8)
Atom Heart Mother 8) 8) 8)
Animals - 8) and an extra ish
Dark Side of the Moon - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Wish You Were Here - 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The Wall - 8) 8) 8)
Relics - 8) 8)
Everything afterwards - lost interest
so we agree that Wish You Were Here is their finest moment then :)

Being an analyst for a living I also notice that our opinions follow a similar trend over time :)
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seamoss wrote:as long as no one in this thread tries to say that Division Bells is a good album.....



:roll:
and I'm not only trying:

Division Bell is a good album! :razz:
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