Rick Rubin on AI (& now Graeme Revell, too)

[Aloysius]

I thought Punk ended in the seventies. After that it was Pop Punk. Green Day would be a good example of that style imo.

[Bunny_boy]

I thought Punk ended in the seventies. After that it was Pop Punk. Green Day would be a good example of that style imo.

In that case you need to check out stuff on labels like Discord, SST, Amphetamine Reptile, Blast First, Touch & Go, Jade Tree, Quarterstick, Alternative Tentacles, and Deep Elm.
(I can't think of any record labels that started in the last 25 years!)

Green Day were always an okay Lookout! Records-style band. Operation Ivy were more fun though (though I guess that's more ska-punk than anything)

[Aloysius]

Maybe. I'm sure there are bands around today that call themselves metal but the real era of Heavy Metal is over. After that came Hair Metal. After that came Nirvana and a lot of bands who couldn't play guitar solos.

When Punk was fresh, it really was something different. There were flashes of it in the sixties but when it really hit in the seventies, it was a powerful movement.

Your thoughts?

[machinesworking]

I thought Punk ended in the seventies. After that it was Pop Punk. Green Day would be a good example of that style imo.

You're confusing sub genres with genres. It's not a hard concept, Metal, Punk, Pop, R&B, Rock, EDM, Industrial etc. are Genres.

Since you mentioned Punk that's a great example. Punk is the Genre, sub-genres include: Post Punk, Classic Punk, Crust, Pop Punk, OI, Street Punk, Hardcore, Surf Punk, Psychobilly etc. etc.

Classic Punk or the original first wave common style didn't end in the 70's, and even then groups like the Buzzcocks and the Dammed already sounded like Pop Punk, because genres are not monoliths.

[machinesworking]

He likens what he calls "vibe coding" to Punk Rock - "So in the past, for music, you had to go to the conservatory and study for years and years. Then someday, you could play in a symphony. And then, when punk rock came along, you could maybe learn three chords in a day — and there were all these bands."

This is a ridiculous statement that disregards the whole of folk music. People were learning a handful of chords and expressing their feelings for hundreds (likely thousands?) of years before punk rock came along.

Your statement can only be made by someone who doesn't have any knowledge of the context in which punk emerged. Original 50's rock, some pop and folk are all pretty simple, sure. The 70's had a slew of bands like Yes playing rock with a Jazz and Classical approach, to the point to where most people did not feel that they could play in a band if they weren't a near perfect musician. Maybe in the 60's and previously there were a lot of straightforward simple songs, but by the 70's musicians were already doing the fretboard maestro contest, bands weren't as judged for their hooks as their lead guitarists chops, and how complex the arrangement was.

To put it in terms of KVR and DAWs which are dominated by keyboard players, the 70's had bands where the keyboard player whore magician capes, because they were wizards.... the pomp was out of hand.

[telecharge]

No mention of Steely Dan? At this point, I need a Venn diagram with Yacht Rock and Progressive Rock overlapping.

[seafire]

whore magician capes

Sounds like a prog rock band

[VOODOO U]

You know what's punk? Not giving a f**k. Use AI or don't. Who cares.

[imrae]

The 70's had a slew of bands like Yes playing rock with a Jazz and Classical approach, to the point to where most people did not feel that they could play in a band if they weren't a near perfect musician.

Ah, that makes a bit more sense. But it requires one to interpret "the past" as "the early 70s" and "music" as "commercially viable touring band".

[Michael L]

By myself, in my cubicle, I write the prompts to make a few of the 50,000 AI songs released today that are not performed by a real band and that I can’t play. So how am I punk? Because I don’t care? Because I can’t perform? Because I save my tech overlords a lot of money? Because I have no social skills or anything to express myself except by reposting?

[revvy]

TED NUGENT Slams AI In Music, Says Machines Can’t Replace His Guitar Legacy

https://news.viralceleb24h.com/linh/ted ... ar-legacy/

There’s literally nothing of value anyone can add to the discussion now that TN has spoken on it.

[Bunny_boy]

TED NUGENT Slams AI In Music, Says Machines Can’t Replace His Guitar Legacy

https://news.viralceleb24h.com/linh/ted ... ar-legacy/

There’s literally nothing of value anyone can add to the discussion now that TN has spoken on it.

I reckon the Nuge has opened himself up with that.

[Michael L]

TED NUGENT Slams AI In Music, Says Machines Can’t Replace His Guitar Legacy

https://news.viralceleb24h.com/linh/ted ... ar-legacy/

There’s literally nothing of value anyone can add to the discussion now that TN has spoken on it.

I reckon the Nuge has opened himself up with that.

No more free massages at Mar-a-Lago!

[Bombadil]

I can‘t believe that I agree with that draft-dodging, pederastic, pentatonic wannabe, cool wannabe, mouthbreather.

[Aloysius]

I thought Punk ended in the seventies. After that it was Pop Punk. Green Day would be a good example of that style imo.

You're confusing sub genres with genres. It's not a hard concept, Metal, Punk, Pop, R&B, Rock, EDM, Industrial etc. are Genres.

Since you mentioned Punk that's a great example. Punk is the Genre, sub-genres include: Post Punk, Classic Punk, Crust, Pop Punk, OI, Street Punk, Hardcore, Surf Punk, Psychobilly etc. etc.

Classic Punk or the original first wave common style didn't end in the 70's, and even then groups like the Buzzcocks and the Dammed already sounded like Pop Punk, because genres are not monoliths.

Good points.