Easiest VST To Create Custom Wavetables?

[wagtunes]

Okay, now that I know I can load the AWM files, that are apparently wavetable files according to Serum 2, into Serum 2, I still would like to create custom wavetables from the raw wav files including in the sample pack.

So say I want to take a guitar wav and combine it with a synth wav and make those 2 wavs into a wavetable. How do I do it? Serum 2 will only allow me to load one file into each osc. So I have to somehow combine those 2 files to make them into one file before I load that file into Serum 2.

What is the easiest way to do that?

Put them one after another in a waveeditor and render out as new file. Or use the webapp i linked to before.
https://www.happyscribe.com/tools/wav-joiner

Ah, okay, Thanks.

[anevva]

If you want a synth you can load stuff in to so as to export to sfz format, there is Wusik Station that is not that expensive. (but it's not that stable and make sure you don't give your main email address as you will get spammed)

For free there is DiscoDSP Highlife (non-commercial use). This also not the most stable vst in the world.

For me you can't beat Redux. It also reads all manner of sfz files coz not all sfz files are created equally. I think I paid about 40 quid for it so probably about 50 bucks for you.

[SamDi]

Sorry, as I understand it, it makes no sense to me. How and why would one like to convert multisampes into a wavetable? Multisamples are keyzoned by definition and wavetables are not. It‘s the same wave over the whole keyboard range.

The most easy and hands-on approach to manipulate wavetables is Serum itself. I‘d say it‘s the most capable wavetable manipulations editor of all synth.

The thing is, that according to my impression imported samples to make wavetable all lead to a similar sounding stuff, either this high frequency bursty sounds or some growly thing.

On the other side you can draw waves tables, but that also lead to tend sounding often very similar in my impression.

So the most satisfying way to get characterful, edgy, and distinguishable nice wavetables is to do it by formula. Serum does this als very well, but you need to work out your ideas and formula-parts on a seprage document and copy-paste it.

One step further then are the *.uhm scripts from Hive 2. There you have the advantage, that you can script wavetables in several steps and do even more and crazy things. Disadvantage is, that you have a steeper learning curve and you don‘t see immediately the result of changes. The wavetable display is not as huge and detailed as in Serum. You need to tell in the script, if you wanna save the resulting wavetable from the wcript also as a wavefile file for use in other synth. Since Serum can not load Hive wavtable-files directly, but you need them to import explicitely, it‘s probably the same with the exported wavefiles from the script. So you need them to import in Serum and save it as a wavetable file from there to have a wavetable, useable for all other synths.

Also a good contender in the future might be Zebra 3. Since you don‘t just blend the waves in the table, but can morph points of a curve with kinda vectors, there are also many opportunities to get interesting and new sounds from there.

[wagtunes]

If you want a synth you can load stuff in to so as to export to sfz format, there is Wusik Station that is not that expensive. (but it's not that stable and make sure you don't give your main email address as you will get spammed)

For free there is DiscoDSP Highlife (non-commercial use). This also not the most stable vst in the world.

For me you can't beat Redux. It also reads all manner of sfz files coz not all sfz files are created equally. I think I paid about 40 quid for it so probably about 50 bucks for you.

Thanks. I will look into that. I so have Wuskstation FWIW. Never even thought of that.

[Tj Shredder]

I think the only synth that actually will perform any sample into a proper wavetable would be the new Ultra. As it is capable to add an amp and pitch curve to it. That isn’t resynthesis, it is just able to play back a wavetable, so that it remains exactly as the sample it was based on…
I do not know of any wavetable synth that has different wavetables for different keys areas like a multisample has.
The TG-33 is a rompler isn’t it? Its not a wavetable synth…

[wagtunes]

I think the only synth that actually will perform any sample into a proper wavetable would be the new Ultra. As it is capable to add an amp and pitch curve to it. That isn’t resynthesis, it is just able to play back a wavetable, so that it remains exactly as the sample it was based on…
I do not know of any wavetable synth that has different wavetables for different keys areas like a multisample has.
The TG-33 is a rompler isn’t it? Its not a wavetable synth…

It isn't a traditional wavetable synth. It essentially morphs between 2 wavs with a joystick. Kind of like the Korg Wavestation can do.

But that's another problem I have to solve. How to get Serum to behave like a TG 33.

[zerocrossing]

Okay, let me be real specific about what I want to do.

Serum 2 only allows you to load one file into each oscillator slot. What I want to do, if possible, is take say a TG 33 guitar wav at C2 and a TG 33 33 synth wav also at C2 so they are the same pitch, combine them into one file so that the one wav crossfades into the other and load that file into Serum 2.

What's the easiest way to do that?

Audacity is a free and decent wave editor. Put both files in a project. Make sure they're the same length and have no zero crossing issues. Select both, and then choose Effect/Fading/Crossfade Tracks. Set your settings as you like. Export in the format of your choice. (File/Export Audio)

[zerocrossing]

I think the only synth that actually will perform any sample into a proper wavetable would be the new Ultra. As it is capable to add an amp and pitch curve to it. That isn’t resynthesis, it is just able to play back a wavetable, so that it remains exactly as the sample it was based on…
I do not know of any wavetable synth that has different wavetables for different keys areas like a multisample has.
The TG-33 is a rompler isn’t it? Its not a wavetable synth…

You can do this with Falcon, and now that Kontakt supports wavetables, I imagine it would work too, though I'm on an old version of Kontakt because I refuse to give NI any more money until they support the polyphonic aftertouch that they're controller spits out.

[wagtunes]

I think the only synth that actually will perform any sample into a proper wavetable would be the new Ultra. As it is capable to add an amp and pitch curve to it. That isn’t resynthesis, it is just able to play back a wavetable, so that it remains exactly as the sample it was based on…
I do not know of any wavetable synth that has different wavetables for different keys areas like a multisample has.
The TG-33 is a rompler isn’t it? Its not a wavetable synth…

You can do this with Falcon, and now that Kontakt supports wavetables, I imagine it would work too, though I'm on an old version of Kontakt because I refuse to give NI any more money until they support the polyphonic aftertouch that they're controller spits out.

The problem with Kontakt is you can only save as nki files. Otherwise, Kontakt is great.

[wagtunes]

Okay, let me be real specific about what I want to do.

Serum 2 only allows you to load one file into each oscillator slot. What I want to do, if possible, is take say a TG 33 guitar wav at C2 and a TG 33 33 synth wav also at C2 so they are the same pitch, combine them into one file so that the one wav crossfades into the other and load that file into Serum 2.

What's the easiest way to do that?

Audacity is a free and decent wave editor. Put both files in a project. Make sure they're the same length and have no zero crossing issues. Select both, and then choose Effect/Fading/Crossfade Tracks. Set your settings as you like. Export in the format of your choice. (File/Export Audio)

Thanks for the Audacity trick. Works like a charm.

[wagtunes]

Okay, I need a "making samples sound clean" expert.

I made my crossfaded wav in Audacity. It sounded great. But then I brought it int Serum 2 as a wavetable and it's horrible. It's all random stuff. Fine.

So then I brought it in as a plain wav and looped it. The problem is, when it gets to the end of the wav and begins to loop back, there is a distinct thud as it hits the end. I have tried everything to get rid of it including fading the edges but nothing works.

How do you fix this problem? It has to be a common one.

In the meantime, I finally brought it in as a granular wav and there, with a lot of work, it sounds good.

[shonky]

Okay, I need a "making samples sound clean" expert.

I made my crossfaded wav in Audacity. It sounded great. But then I brought it int Serum 2 as a wavetable and it's horrible. It's all random stuff. Fine.

I'd suggest reading pgs 287-289 of the Serum 2 manual here https://www.xferrecords.com/manual/serum-2/docs especially Nudge All Phases for Fundamental to 50%, Blur Spectra Adjacent, and Blur Phase Adjacent. One of the issues with importing raw samples, as opposed to dedicated wavetables, is that when converted, the individual cycles are arbitrarily determined and often have issues with zero-crossings and phase issues, resulting in the "random stuff" you mention. Also, I'd suggest reducing the amount of frames using the "Remove" button in the editor as you can often get better results while retaining the character of the original source. Make sure you also right-click the wave knob in the oscillator window and select "clean interpolation".

So then I brought it in as a plain wav and looped it. The problem is, when it gets to the end of the wav and begins to loop back, there is a distinct thud as it hits the end. I have tried everything to get rid of it including fading the edges but nothing works.

How do you fix this problem? It has to be a common one.

Could you post the patch with the sample embedded as the issue could have multiple reasons?

I was also wondering that if you just want to crossfade between samples why you don't just set up a macro to drop the volume in one oscillator while raising that of another. If it's a spectral morph (i.e. morphing beween the harmonic character of one wavetable to another) that's a bit more complicated.

[ultra_audio]

What I want to do, if possible, is take say a TG 33 guitar wav at C2 and a TG 33 33 synth wav also at C2 so they are the same pitch, combine them into one file so that the one wav crossfades into the other and load that file into Serum 2.
What's the easiest way to do that?

May I humbly point out that you can import Samples to wavetables in Ultra, and they will crossfade in real time without having to make a wav file.

[wagtunes]

What I want to do, if possible, is take say a TG 33 guitar wav at C2 and a TG 33 33 synth wav also at C2 so they are the same pitch, combine them into one file so that the one wav crossfades into the other and load that file into Serum 2.
What's the easiest way to do that?

May I humbly point out that you can import Samples to wavetables in Ultra, and they will crossfade in real time without having to make a wav file.

Now THAT is so cool. Thanks. Eventually, I will be making a patch library for Ultra. Really loving this synth but still finding my way around it.