Logic Pro 12.x

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

no warnings, I describe what I experienced, I started this journey with an update from 1.7 to 2, in those days the updates, upgrades were mega expensive compared to now. Agreed 12 is not all spectacular, but the updates before were, I am not complaining

[oobesan]

Hiring more developers rarely if ever speeds up a project, especially if it's one that involves a lot of legacy code. I imagine Apple found that 12 devs is the right number for Logic.

lol.

[magog]

Hiring more developers rarely if ever speeds up a project, especially if it's one that involves a lot of legacy code. I imagine Apple found that 12 devs is the right number for Logic.

Well yeah that's a good point. But it's different when the work can be split up and parallelized.

In the last 3-4 years, these were the main new Logic features:

• stem splitter
• chromaglow plugin
• bass session player
• piano session player
• synth session player
• chord analyzer

All of these are fairly self-contained projects with fairly light integration with the core legacy code. Apple could have given each of these to a separate software team, leaving their core legacy 12-developer Logic team free to work on core features. Or they could have had a separate team working on a rewrite.

Also, it's not like the Logic team is under intense time pressure. The changelog between 10.8 and 12 is pretty thin.

[oobesan]

Hiring more developers rarely if ever speeds up a project, especially if it's one that involves a lot of legacy code. I imagine Apple found that 12 devs is the right number for Logic.

Well yeah that's a good point. But it's different when the work can be split up and parallelized.

In the last 3-4 years, these were the main new Logic features:

• stem splitter
• chromaglow plugin
• bass session player
• piano session player
• synth session player
• chord analyzer

All of these are fairly self-contained projects with fairly light integration with the core legacy code. Apple could have given each of these to a separate software team, leaving their core legacy 12-developer Logic team free to work on core features. Or they could have had a separate team working on a rewrite.

Also, it's not like the Logic team is under intense time pressure. The changelog between 10.8 and 12 is pretty thin.

• Sample Alchemy
• Beat Breaker
• Quantec Room Siimulator
• Mastering Assistant

[andypryce]

Hiring more developers rarely if ever speeds up a project, especially if it's one that involves a lot of legacy code. I imagine Apple found that 12 devs is the right number for Logic.

Well yeah that's a good point. But it's different when the work can be split up and parallelized.

In the last 3-4 years, these were the main new Logic features:

• stem splitter
• chromaglow plugin
• bass session player
• piano session player
• synth session player
• chord analyzer

All of these are fairly self-contained projects with fairly light integration with the core legacy code. Apple could have given each of these to a separate software team, leaving their core legacy 12-developer Logic team free to work on core features. Or they could have had a separate team working on a rewrite.

Also, it's not like the Logic team is under intense time pressure. The changelog between 10.8 and 12 is pretty thin.

• Sample Alchemy
• Beat Breaker
• Quantec Room Siimulator
• Mastering Assistant

10 headliners that have equal or better 3rd party options and zero improvement related to the core of the DAW like Browser, Stretch Algos, Automation, Score, Video, Articulation IDs, Piano Roll, Folders, Audio Engine, ARA…

[aMUSEd]

Don’t really think there is anything really like Sample Alchemy and the Quantec is literally the original algos so while there are alternatives it was certainly very a welcome addition

[CinningBao]

Wasn't there a statement from someone somewhere in Apple saying that they are working on core engine stuff, kind of implying ARA might get implemented 'properly' at some point. It was fluffy info, sure, but they know they need to do it. Yeah it was some dudes talking about the new subscription stuff 'we here' don't really care about.

I think it was somewhere in this vid..

[oobesan]

Wasn't there a statement from someone somewhere in Apple saying that they are working on core engine stuff, kind of implying ARA might get implemented 'properly' at some point. It was fluffy info, sure, but they know they need to do it. Yeah it was some dudes talking about the new subscription stuff 'we here' don't really care about.

I think it was somewhere in this vid..

Ugh. Must you repost this shill?

[oobesan]

10 headliners that have equal or better 3rd party options and zero improvement related to the core of the DAW like Browser, Stretch Algos, Automation, Score, Video, Articulation IDs, Piano Roll, Folders, Audio Engine, ARA…

I included them because they were, objectively, New Features within the last 3 years. It would have been factually incorrect to not add them. I agree with you, however, that I would have much preferred the Logic Pro development team correct all unaddressed workflow problems and user requests that have accumulated over the last 20 years, rather than add any of these features. Sample Alchemy and QRS are okay. Chromaglow is fine. I could have easily lived without any of them. And it's stupid that Chromaglow doesn't have a decent output auto-gain match control. I have zero use for any of the AI features they've implemented.

[andypryce]

10 headliners that have equal or better 3rd party options and zero improvement related to the core of the DAW like Browser, Stretch Algos, Automation, Score, Video, Articulation IDs, Piano Roll, Folders, Audio Engine, ARA…

I included them because they were, objectively, New Features within the last 3 years. It would have been factually incorrect to not add them. I agree with you, however, that I would have much preferred the Logic Pro development team correct all unaddressed workflow problems and user requests that have accumulated over the last 20 years, rather than add any of these features. Sample Alchemy and QRS are okay. Chromaglow is fine. I could have easily lived without any of them. And it's stupid that Chromaglow doesn't have a decent output auto-gain match control. I have zero use for any of the AI features they've implemented.

Sure, I know. My reply was not to your additions but seeing the whole list just struck me how far away it is from improving the actual DAW features. They do what they do but still to this day I expect at least one core feature update as a headliner like an actual working browser or a new advance automation system or new video engine with multiple file support etc. But it is obvious that this will not happen. 8 months later they gave more soundpacks a synth player and a half working chord track update and sub option. It is obvious where Logic goes.

[dayjob]

Wasn't there a statement from someone somewhere in Apple saying that they are working on core engine stuff, kind of implying ARA might get implemented 'properly' at some point. It was fluffy info, sure, but they know they need to do it. Yeah it was some dudes talking about the new subscription stuff 'we here' don't really care about.

I think it was somewhere in this vid..

that’s such a fluffy interview. reads like marketing. both those guys were very guarded w/how they phrased things… as expected.

[oobesan]

Wasn't there a statement from someone somewhere in Apple saying that they are working on core engine stuff, kind of implying ARA might get implemented 'properly' at some point. It was fluffy info, sure, but they know they need to do it. Yeah it was some dudes talking about the new subscription stuff 'we here' don't really care about.

I think it was somewhere in this vid..

that’s such a fluffy interview. reads like marketing. both those guys were very guarded w/how they phrased things… as expected.

Read like marketing, because that douche duo is from Apple's Creator Studio Marketing team, not from Logic Pro's development team.

[aMUSEd]

Why do people so underestimate the incredible awesomeness of Sample Alchemy?

https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/logic-sample-alchemy

There really is nothing like it in plugins - some that can do bits but the whole is really cleverly implemented and fun

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Quantec and Chromaglow were spectacular free additions and I sort of see the AI session players as something that needed to be addressed now to attract and appease that other market, cuz theyve been giving the rest of us "serious" producers the goods for the past few years.

V12 is sort of like a placeholder for them, and I wish they had done things differently, but they had to get the Creator Studio out and Logic is a big part of it. They've been working on really awesome non-AI features and new additions, so just hang on for a bit.

[pdxindy]

V12 is sort of like a placeholder for them, and I wish they had done things differently, but they had to get the Creator Studio out and Logic is a big part of it.

Yeah... It's obviously called 12 for Creative Studio. To me the number doesn't matter. The Logic team has done some excellent work over the past 5 years.