oh is there some room for interepretation? although, i think protection-circumvention tools are illegal. so even if you're virtually still allowed to make a copy you can't because you have not the tools to do itjens wrote:I just googled it and found out that the legal-expertsjens wrote:@Rokkon: r u sure?
don't share all the same opinion about how the law is to interpret.
how to rip protected audio cd?
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 3 Aug, 2002 from berlin
ngfnjhte?
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 3 Aug, 2002 from berlin
exactly my view on things. it's crazy to believe the law were able to quantitize the whole infinite spectrum of human life and conditions into a defined grid and still stay just for everybody.Jbravo wrote:in this field, maybe people should be more concerned with what's ethical more than what's legal.
Laws are a tool to help us, but as every tool they have to be paired with brain and common sense.
ngfnjhte?
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- KVRian
- 723 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from C@L
In the US, there are laws which permit home taping for music you've purchased. The law was created when cassettes were the main format that consumers used.
As far as I know, there have been no new laws which specifically allow CD-R backups or MP3 backups, but everyone assumes these would be covered and if there was a lawsuit to that effect, I'm sure a jury would make the logical jump to that conclusion.
The RIAA sued Diamond when they came out with their Rio (the first solid state portable MP3 player). The RIAA lost since they learned that computer equipment was specifically excluded from any law regarding home duplication of audio. Ironically, the RIAA was the one who lobbied this exception into the law.
Now, while there are laws that make it illegal to use devices that circumvent copy protection (The DMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act - comes to mind), there is nothing illegal by having a copy of the music that was copy protected. So, if you have a copy protected audio CD and an MP3 copy, there is no wrongdoing amiss. However, any tools which you have that circumvent such copy protection is illegal.
In other words, if you record a copy protected audio CD to your PC via an analog or digital audio connection, then you are doing nothing wrong since you are not circumventing copy protection.
Brian
As far as I know, there have been no new laws which specifically allow CD-R backups or MP3 backups, but everyone assumes these would be covered and if there was a lawsuit to that effect, I'm sure a jury would make the logical jump to that conclusion.
The RIAA sued Diamond when they came out with their Rio (the first solid state portable MP3 player). The RIAA lost since they learned that computer equipment was specifically excluded from any law regarding home duplication of audio. Ironically, the RIAA was the one who lobbied this exception into the law.
Now, while there are laws that make it illegal to use devices that circumvent copy protection (The DMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act - comes to mind), there is nothing illegal by having a copy of the music that was copy protected. So, if you have a copy protected audio CD and an MP3 copy, there is no wrongdoing amiss. However, any tools which you have that circumvent such copy protection is illegal.
In other words, if you record a copy protected audio CD to your PC via an analog or digital audio connection, then you are doing nothing wrong since you are not circumventing copy protection.
Brian
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- KVRian
- 1184 posts since 27 Apr, 2004 from Houston, Texas
no offense Rokkon....thats illegal. you're supposed to buy music twice if you want to listen on a portable device - the cd for home stereo use and the mp3s for your portable.
anyone that would buy music twice would have to be a jackass. illegal or not, there is no reason why anyone should have to do this.
should we start also paying royalties for all the mix compilation cds we make?? yeah, right....that's happening.
i agree with jens about the internet radio. 99.9% of mainstream music is crap anyway
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- KVRAF
- 2336 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Terra Firma
lol! There's me thinking the iPod was for carrying mp3's of my music collection. If certain cd's have copy protection that won't let me do that. The simple answer is to d/l the cd off a p2p. 
I've paid for it - I want it on my iPod. 
It's ironic that the greed of the music industry forces us to break the law and do exactly what they are trying to prevent.
I've paid for it - I want it on my iPod. It's ironic that the greed of the music industry forces us to break the law and do exactly what they are trying to prevent. -
- KVRian
- 509 posts since 3 Aug, 2002 from berlin
excactly. At least in germany that's already happening for ages. it's the GEMA - you pay fees on every recordable medium you buy.seamoss wrote:should we start also paying royalties for all the mix compilation cds we make?? yeah, right....that's happening.
yes i share your opinionseamoss wrote:anyone that would buy music twice would have to be a jackass. illegal or not, there is no reason why anyone should have to do this.
ngfnjhte?
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- KVRist
- 446 posts since 3 Jan, 2004 from Serbia
Yep, I easily copied that one by using "extract audio from cd" in Sound Forge...smp wrote:If it's the Copy Control technology beloved by EMI and subsidiaries (all CDs released in Australia by EMI have this tech) than it is circumvented quite easily by ripping from a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive. The technology was designed to engage when placed in a RW drive, but seems to see no threat in a ROM drive.
I have no idea about any of the other technologies however, as I have never encountered them.
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- KVRAF
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
DUDE! CD NobRip 2006 finally did it for me. It was sooooo easy. It took the magic marker but I didn't put it in upside down. I think you were making up stuff there...scuzzphut wrote:you have to get a magic marker and run it around the edge of the CD.
then you put the CD in upside down and use "CD NobRip 2006"
or something
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- KVRian
- 1262 posts since 15 Feb, 2003 from Up the Pennine way
So what is the definition of an audio cd as the copy protected ones contain a trash data track.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/CDDA
The lawyers are gonna have fun with that one!
fake You cant beat people up then have them say "I love you"
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- KVRian
- 723 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from C@L
There are multiple types of copy protection for audio CD's. One involves a data track which contains software which prevents you from ripping any CD's (I believe this is a driver).
This is terrible, in my opinion, as that adds instability to your machine, and there is no warning that such software is being installed. I believe any record company who uses this is risking a class action lawsuit.
Anyway, that same data track contains WMA files with DRM, so you cannot play the WMA files on any machine besides the one that originally had the so-called audio CD put in.
The other form of copy protection, and this is the one Philips is rightly complaining about, is that the record companies are interfering with the error correction on an audio CD to make it less robust. That means such a disc is not actually a Red-Book audio CD anymore. It also means that same CD will not last as long as a real audio CD, since it won't contain the same error correction that is used to make the disc resilient to scratches and dust. Anyway, this interference with the error correction prevents CD-ROM drives from ripping at faster than 1x. It also could interfere with the audio quality on a regular audio CD player.
If this all makes CD's sound less appealing now compared to the past, then you too might want to stop buying CD's as I have.
Fun fact: On a true Red-Book audio CD, 60% of the bits on the disc are not related to audio information (they are for error-correction and other purposes).
Brian
This is terrible, in my opinion, as that adds instability to your machine, and there is no warning that such software is being installed. I believe any record company who uses this is risking a class action lawsuit.
Anyway, that same data track contains WMA files with DRM, so you cannot play the WMA files on any machine besides the one that originally had the so-called audio CD put in.
The other form of copy protection, and this is the one Philips is rightly complaining about, is that the record companies are interfering with the error correction on an audio CD to make it less robust. That means such a disc is not actually a Red-Book audio CD anymore. It also means that same CD will not last as long as a real audio CD, since it won't contain the same error correction that is used to make the disc resilient to scratches and dust. Anyway, this interference with the error correction prevents CD-ROM drives from ripping at faster than 1x. It also could interfere with the audio quality on a regular audio CD player.
If this all makes CD's sound less appealing now compared to the past, then you too might want to stop buying CD's as I have.
Fun fact: On a true Red-Book audio CD, 60% of the bits on the disc are not related to audio information (they are for error-correction and other purposes).
Brian
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- KVRist
- 410 posts since 8 Jan, 2004 from Switzerland
The only soft i know that prevent you to install these hidden drivers is
http://www.dvdidle.com/en/dvd-region-free.htm
Accessorily you can watch DVD in every zone you want.
Have fun!
Very easy to use: it works automatically in the background!
Enables any region coded DVD to be played in all software DVD players
Enables any CSS encrypted DVD to be copied in all DVD copy software
Removes region code (RC) from DVD's
Removes encryption (CSS) from DVD's
Removes region code enhancement (RCE) from DVD's
Removes analog copy protection (Macrovision) from DVD's
Removes user operation prohibitions (UOPs) from DVD's. This feature allows you to:
change soundtracks on the fly.
hide forced subtitles as you wish.
Enables the DVD menu or movie to be played directly without FBI warnings
Prevents auto run of software from DVD's, such as PCFriendly
Works with all DVD drives, including region-protected (RPC2) DVD drives
Works "on the fly", without having to save data to the hard disk
Stable and fast, it does not need any driver
FREE lifetime upgrades
FREE lifetime English support via e-mail, worldwide
"Remove Structure Protection": copy DVD's with Sony ARccOS copy-protection!
"Audio CD Free": play, copy and rip protected Audio CD's!
http://www.dvdidle.com/en/dvd-region-free.htm
Accessorily you can watch DVD in every zone you want.
Have fun!
Very easy to use: it works automatically in the background!
Enables any region coded DVD to be played in all software DVD players
Enables any CSS encrypted DVD to be copied in all DVD copy software
Removes region code (RC) from DVD's
Removes encryption (CSS) from DVD's
Removes region code enhancement (RCE) from DVD's
Removes analog copy protection (Macrovision) from DVD's
Removes user operation prohibitions (UOPs) from DVD's. This feature allows you to:
change soundtracks on the fly.
hide forced subtitles as you wish.
Enables the DVD menu or movie to be played directly without FBI warnings
Prevents auto run of software from DVD's, such as PCFriendly
Works with all DVD drives, including region-protected (RPC2) DVD drives
Works "on the fly", without having to save data to the hard disk
Stable and fast, it does not need any driver
FREE lifetime upgrades
FREE lifetime English support via e-mail, worldwide
"Remove Structure Protection": copy DVD's with Sony ARccOS copy-protection!
"Audio CD Free": play, copy and rip protected Audio CD's!
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- KVRist
- 261 posts since 10 Jul, 2004 from Seattle
have you tried APPLE's iTune or Winamp?
I had Japanese CDs that are CD protected.
(I think it was Avextrax and one other company BMI? EMI?)
and iTune can rip those.
I'm not sure it will do same for you but just try it.
I had Japanese CDs that are CD protected.
(I think it was Avextrax and one other company BMI? EMI?)
and iTune can rip those.
I'm not sure it will do same for you but just try it.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111300 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
fake your sorted here in the uk once you buy music you are legally entitled to copy it for personal use,ie mix tapes,portable media and so on.
if i want to i can burn a 1000 copies of a cd ive bought so long as i dont give one away i have broken no law
if i want to i can burn a 1000 copies of a cd ive bought so long as i dont give one away i have broken no law
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRist
- 368 posts since 3 May, 2002 from Canberra, Australia
Here in Australia, as far as I know, it is illegal to make copies of your own CDs for any reason. The media have been laughing at this on and off for a while now, quite happily proclaiming that anyone who has bought an mp3 player (or equivalent) is more than likely a criminal for filling it with music they bought on CD.
And people think US copyright law is a joke...
Personally, that makes me a huge criminal for ripping my CDs to ogg so I can listen to them at work without having to worry about some light-fingered bastard making off with my CDs when I'm not around my desk. Oh well...I always did live on the wildside.
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And people think US copyright law is a joke...
Personally, that makes me a huge criminal for ripping my CDs to ogg so I can listen to them at work without having to worry about some light-fingered bastard making off with my CDs when I'm not around my desk. Oh well...I always did live on the wildside.
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