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gruberman · Post by **gruberman** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:41 pm

ttoz, you need to wear those fat-ass goggles to be able to appreciate orion. They filter out the aliasing.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:45 pm

Well my hosts now are FL Studio Producer (for the automation – I cannot find anything better that I understand)

Energy XT for a light host – great for constructing awesome contortions and pads.

Cubase for full on MIDI plus stuff I am still trying to figure out on it audio wise etc.

Adobe Audition for Audio editing and mastering

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:51 pm

Orion is a pattern based program, not a traditional midi sequencer ...with legacy features from the days of hardware synths... Approached from that point of view it's nice and simple... Mixer/fx, instrument channels (w/piano roll), and playlist... pretty much all you need from a virtual studio... The piano roll was the best implementation of any I've tried... Great for "mouse programming" if you have to do it that way! It was my favorite PC DAW, because of what it didn't have... All the stuff I never used in Cubase anyway! Obviously it's "diffent strokes"...

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:52 pm

Spe3D wrote:Well my hosts now are FL Studio Producer (for the automation – I cannot find anything better that I understand)

perfect illustration of why this issue is SO subjective ... i loved a LOT of what fl-studio could do but never really liked its automation for some reason hence it falling out of use with me ...

... now if youre talking automation then IMHO live really cant be beaten at the moment ...

slainte

rob

counterfeit · Post by **counterfeit** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:54 pm

I just had the worst topic reading experience of my life.....
You can say that you don't like Orion (i have no problems with that), but you can't say it's a piece of shit, i can't stand this kind of agressive topic, just for the pleasure of bashing a group of users or a developper...

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:59 pm

pHz wrote:
Spe3D wrote:Well my hosts now are FL Studio Producer (for the automation – I cannot find anything better that I understand)
perfect illustration of why this issue is SO subjective ... i loved a LOT of what fl-studio could do but never really liked its automation for some reason hence it falling out of use with me ...

slainte rob

I think there is a vast array of tools in FL that make automation a breeze plus powerful – but for sure the latest edition FL 5 has AutoClips, where you can literally draw the curve or path the knob or control should follow during song mode – this has brought the largely hidden aspect of automation into a very visible form.

So you have a traditional midi type editor for the old type of automation and internal linking of automation controls – plus now the auto clips – that are curves or lfos for automation to follow.

I love that aspect of FL

But indeed its what you can use to get the job done at the end of the day – sometimes it’s a matter of selecting the best from each host that you can get on with = got to have choice.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

7zark7 · Post by **7zark7** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:02 pm

The things that you say Orion can't do, it does fine.

-7zark7

bucket · Post by **bucket** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:30 pm

Damn, that's not a big deal at all.

One time I was using a rather popular sequencer on a rather important project (you'll be able to guess which one). I had just finished saving a rough mix of my project and everything was working fine when, all of the sudden, a squirrel ran in my front door and BIT OFF MY LEFT TESTICLE.

It is amazing to me that anyone continues to use that popular sequencer with all the problems it causes.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:36 pm

Are you sure it wasn't a groundhog?

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:37 pm

hitman8081 · Post by **hitman8081** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:06 am

ttoz wrote:i really was just in total shock how crap it was. i didn't expect it to be that bad. i even thought it might be a nice all in one. but it crashes even when changing its own presets

no timestretch? no pitchshift? no sample editor?

sorry but it's a pro price and i am entitled ot my opinion/ yeah I am really sure i am going to get banned from the hosts forum now

dam right ttoz worse 150 bucks i ever spent it IS SO dam unstable i could never use a program like this

ill stick to cm muzys thank you. at least it doesnt crash

i cant believe i thought this would be a good host for me. lol i cant even use the enviroment for more then 20 mins with out a dam crash

i know ill get reamed for saying this but orion is the worse piece of shit i ever spent money on

Col.G · Post by **Col.G** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:06 am

Thats either a big squirrel ir you got tiny nuts.

opiadream · Post by **opiadream** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:37 am

bucket wrote:Damn, that's not a big deal at all.

One time I was using a rather popular sequencer on a rather important project (you'll be able to guess which one). I had just finished saving a rough mix of my project and everything was working fine when, all of the sudden, a squirrel ran in my front door and BIT OFF MY LEFT TESTICLE.

It is amazing to me that anyone continues to use that popular sequencer with all the problems it causes.

that's what you get for letting yer dongles hang out

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:57 am

DHR53 wrote:Orion is a pattern based program, not a traditional midi sequencer ...with legacy features from the days of hardware synths... Approached from that point of view it's nice and simple... Mixer/fx, instrument channels (w/piano roll), and playlist... pretty much all you need from a virtual studio... The piano roll was the best implementation of any I've tried... Great for "mouse programming" if you have to do it that way! It was my favorite PC DAW, because of what it didn't have... All the stuff I never used in Cubase anyway! Obviously it's "diffent strokes"...

exactly how I feel too!

I could say a lot of crap things about cubase/tracktion/fruity/inserthostnamehere but I've come to realize they're all like vehicles. some people like the 4 door sedan with all the features, other people like the 2 door pickup. trying to fit the person with the pickup into the sedan and vice versa is going to give them this face

same with host.. ttoz, I feel you are simply in the wrong car

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:01 am

pHz wrote:
... leaving only ...

live 4
energyXT
audiomulch
bidule

Super!

I just had the worst sequencing experience of my life.