KVR Audio

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:28 pm

suburban grilla wrote:i prefer baps

Now we're talkin'!

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:31 pm

stale bread wrote:that was un-called-for.

Not at all. Humour is an important factor in life.

nibbzious · Post by **nibbzious** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:43 pm

no problem with absynth or reaktor with my Live 4

I love Live 4, it's the best sequencer ever I never want to use anything else ever

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:43 pm

Acolmiztli wrote: Not at all. Humour is an important factor in life.

So you don't really have a problem with the idea that people can be creative and professional both at the same time then

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:02 pm

Acolmiztli wrote:Its a common observation of mine that the people who complain about Live are the people who are interested in getting a "professional consumer driven" sound.

The people who are actually creative don't have a problem at all!!

LOL. Sadly it's not true. I'm currently working on a track for the winter contest here at KVR and find that I'm maxing out my CPU with:

BFD stereo (ie, one track)
5 instances of Wusikstation
3 audio tracks, all going to Send A which contains various Voxengo and Classic FX
1 instance of Absy 2

I would hit 99% most of the time. So when I added the fifth instance of Wusik I had to render the BFD track (and forgot to save a copy of the midi first...damn).

I have made Live my main host but it's not living up to my expectations as a producer's tool. For loops it's great.

My specs: Athlon XP 3200+, 768 MB RAM, ASUS A7N8X mobo, Audiophile 2496 PCI

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:08 pm

headquest wrote:
Acolmiztli wrote: Not at all. Humour is an important factor in life.
So you don't really have a problem with the idea that people can be creative and professional both at the same time then

Not at all.

I'm using Live 4 as my main host, and it performs admirably for what I want it to do.

I'm not interested in getting a professional sound as the world understands it.

Schonberg when he devised the 12 tone theory commented, when asked how he composed, that he comes up with his patterns, and the just composes.

I'm much the same. I got knowledge about compressors, eq's, limiters, and all the rest of it. Then I just forgot that it was even important and composed.

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:41 pm

Acolmiztli wrote:I'm much the same. I got knowledge about compressors, eq's, limiters, and all the rest of it. Then I just forgot that it was even important and composed.

Sadly, Live isn't only about composing but perhaps even more about performing, whether at home or in a club.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:14 pm

Will try uninstalling reaktor and absynth and reinstalling. Maybe that will fix it. Everything else runs great though.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:48 pm

I just counted my usable softsynths in live 4 without absynth and reaktor. 44 synths that do work. Hmmmm. maybe reinstalling reaktor and absynth isn't necessary. If I can't make a decent tune with all that, then reaktor and absynth really isn't going to help me.

http://www.soundclick.com/wormhelmet

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:13 am

if you check in the taskmanager you see that live sometimes eats more CPU than it displays in the program itself.... i think live4 performs less than other DAW's because of the fact that a lot of the program is dedicated to realtime performance, ie timestretching of audio etc.... this takes CPU and this leaves less for VSTi's ... but i am sure the ableton guys/girls can achieve some more optimalisations here....

furthermore, it's so easy to bounce audio coming from a plugin to an audio clip in live4..so if you need to free up some CPU just bounce a plugin or 2 and there you go..... all this complaining about no "freeze" function....damn, freeze is something we only have for a year or so....

Olaf

dlt123 · Post by **dlt123** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:41 am

stale bread wrote:whats the problem with Live 4 and absynth, there are alot of people on the ableton forum who use the combo and love it?

I don't get it either, Absynth 2 and 3 work fine in my Live 4. Must be something else going on with his system.

I've had very little problems with Live4.
DennisT

alma is a fish · Post by **alma is a fish** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:25 pm

olafmol wrote: i think live4 performs less than other DAW's because of the fact that a lot of the program is dedicated to realtime performance, ie timestretching of audio etc.... this takes CPU and this leaves less for VSTi's ...
Olaf

thats the fact most people forget. mabye it was over hyped as a daw killer but I think it happened cause it can do most of the daw stuff pretty well. but its built for live use changing and doing things on the fly. Its not a big shock to me that it need more cpu then a traction(traction is built ground up to be a daw). Consider for a sec reaktor, running a well designed synth much like Subtractor from reason. You could say wow reaktor needs way more cpu then reason for a subtractor like synth. You gotta remeber what the program is built to do. Right tool for the right job.

That said I like ableton as my daw cause it can do things other daws dont. mainly seperating the recording process and composition process. I love to record a bunch of stuff and jam the composition afterwards. new ideas just keep coming. but it does come at a price. cpu.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:56 pm

yeah and kovacs you should see what fax is capable of, his system i believe is comparable to yours but it's a laptop and the amount of plugs he gets would make you cry, you might want to check into your system a little more deeply and see if there are any other bottlenecks, he's round here somewhere maybe he'll chime in

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:48 pm

stale bread wrote:yeah and kovacs you should see what fax is capable of, his system i believe is comparable to yours but it's a laptop and the amount of plugs he gets would make you cry, you might want to check into your system a little more deeply and see if there are any other bottlenecks, he's round here somewhere maybe he'll chime in

Thanks for the tip. One problem I have is that I share my PC with my wife so I can't turn off everything (although I have apparently disabled something which no longer lets her run Excel).

I have disabled just about everything else and even thrown out some of my PC hardware to increase airflow and save power etc, all of which has helped slightly.

I would appreciate any advice because I really do love Live and my compositional skills really took off when I bought it. It is a perfect tool for experimentation.

Ian Stone · Post by **Ian Stone** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:18 am

Live is OK except for the graphics. Looks like a DOS program.

live4 is best thing since sliced bread...