KVR Audio

raapie · Post by **raapie** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:18 am

kaufi wrote:Sonar over Nuendo (or Cubase) *LoL*

Are you sanely???

I recently needed to do a project based on Reason and Nuendo. It seems that Nuendo doesn't render perfectly the first 8 note of the rendered track using Rewire (with Ableton Live 4.04 rewire issues as well!). I needed to export 8 tracks for 4 songs, that's 32 tracks. Sorry... but Nuendo wasn't able to do this, simple as that.

I am a professional composer and sound designer and Nuendo let me down 2 times recently, so now I gave up using it. I know a lot of professionals who like it, but for me: never ever again. Only Wavelab4 is cool (has some issues as well btw). But Steinberg.... ai!!!

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:00 am

You need to keep up!! Nuendo is at v3 and wavelab v5!!

johndale · Post by **johndale** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:12 am

I'm a Sonar user have been. Nuendo is nice, BUT I have seen your having a lot of problems with Steinberg and updates. Greg, Morten and the gang keep us stable and they are HONEST with us. You can do a fine product in either, that depends on your ability. I think the competition is great for both products and ALL of us users benifit. But bottom line is I won't give up my Ford for your Chevy, I don't care what new accessory is offered. I know how to work on my Ford, your Chevy might make me look stupid and my tools might not work............JDW

dprvulov · Post by **dprvulov** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:28 am

IMHO SONAR produces a 20-40% better sound quality than Nuendo.

greetz to Shea

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:31 am

In general, high end hosts dont affect sound quality.

dprvulov · Post by **dprvulov** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:44 am

UltraJv wrote:In general, high end hosts dont affect sound quality.

Sorry, that was kinda joke.
On the SONAR Forum there was quite a while ago a guy (shea) who tried to tell us SONAR users, that Nuendo has a superior sound quality by 20-40%.
This led to a flame war, but moreover some official guys from Cakewalk tried to investigate this issue. Even after extensive research and "null-out-phase-testing" (or sth like that), it was ruled out, that SONAR audio engine does not affect the sound of the original wav.-file at all. And this is why there CAN NOT be an impact of the SOANR audio engine to the audio material. It`s actually what you said.

Best regards!

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:57 am

Ive seen many flame wars started about host sound purity

This forum has some superb host tests including a DAW summing CD!

http://www.3daudioinc.com/cgi-bin/ultim ... forum&f=19

Bonkwell · Post by **Bonkwell** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:13 am

Hi

IMHO if you are looking for something “Pro” it comes down to this………. do you want an App that works straight out of the box and not spend half a day configuring it before it runs OK, get your work done smoothly with no hassle, not have to mess about with a USB Dongle, have the best support there is, and on top of this get great sounding results ?

No contest Sonar all the way.

Rabban · Post by **Rabban** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:18 am

dprvulov wrote:IMHO SONAR produces a 20-40% better sound quality than Nuendo.

I was wondering how long it would take for this little in-joke to appear.

I never get sick of it!

hello1234 · Post by **hello1234** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:30 am

Rabban wrote:
dprvulov wrote:IMHO SONAR produces a 20-40% better sound quality than Nuendo.

I was wondering how long it would take for this little in-joke to appear.

I never get sick of it!

HEY! I posted it first

dprvulov · Post by **dprvulov** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:42 am

eyeknow666 wrote:
Rabban wrote:
dprvulov wrote:IMHO SONAR produces a 20-40% better sound quality than Nuendo.

I was wondering how long it would take for this little in-joke to appear.

I never get sick of it!
HEY! I posted it first

eyeknow666
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Posted: 07 Jan 2005 01:58 reply with quote

slovak wrote:
two different monsters , two neo-distinctive soundscape possibillities ....

Nuendo is the OFFICIAL ProTools Killer, hint !!!

;;; but for instictive functionality CakeWalk was the first PRO tOOLs. {History ... remember ?, maybe not}

-new generation is O.K. with me.

They both suck, and although nuendo is 20 to 40 percent better audio engine, it is 3 times the price.

Tracktion is free, btw

Sorry dude, havn`t read the entire postings, so I didnt see your post.

Best regards

Rabban · Post by **Rabban** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:50 pm

eyeknow666 wrote:
They both suck, and although nuendo is 20 to 40 percent better audio engine, it is 3 times the price.

eyeknow666 wrote:
Rabban wrote:
dprvulov wrote:IMHO SONAR produces a 20-40% better sound quality than Nuendo.

I was wondering how long it would take for this little in-joke to appear.

I never get sick of it!
HEY! I posted it first

Sorry, eyeknow666. I did not see your original post, which just happens to be incorrect (dprvulov posted it correctly): SONAR has 20-40% better sound quality than Nuendo, not the other way around.

Man, I love that little joke!

dougsyo · Post by **dougsyo** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:13 pm

I think it would be fair to say if it was "Sonar vs Cubase" the votes would be closer. But for "Sonar vs Nuendo" I have to go with Sonar - at least for my needs.

But then I've never used Cubase or Nuendo, but I use Sonar regularly (in fact, more often than FLS lately).

Doug

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:53 pm

You left out the best part of the story.

So this argument is RAGING in the forums, even Ron Kuper jumps in to try and solve this issue once and for all. Then Ron tells us that the pan laws between Sonar and Nuendo/Cubase are different.

So Sonar4 comes out and the Cakewalkers implement 4-5 different ways to set up pan law, so that you could just recreate whichever behaviour you wish!

To which this infamous shea, who had been claiming only he could hear the 20-40% better audio coming from Nuendo says

"4 or 5 pan laws that don’t sound a whole lot different to me"

At which point the entire forum screams 'who let the deaf guy in the room?'

dprvulov wrote:
UltraJv wrote:In general, high end hosts dont affect sound quality.
Sorry, that was kinda joke.
On the SONAR Forum there was quite a while ago a guy (shea) who tried to tell us SONAR users, that Nuendo has a superior sound quality by 20-40%.
This led to a flame war, but moreover some official guys from Cakewalk tried to investigate this issue. Even after extensive research and "null-out-phase-testing" (or sth like that), it was ruled out, that SONAR audio engine does not affect the sound of the original wav.-file at all. And this is why there CAN NOT be an impact of the SOANR audio engine to the audio material. It`s actually what you said.

Best regards!

kaufi · Post by **kaufi** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:10 pm

Problems in Nuendo 2 with freez for vstis - get the new update and all will be good!

If you use rewire in Cubase or Nuendo, start all projects on second bar - and all will be good!

Please answer, what can sonar4 what cubase can't???

I tested sonar4.01 and 50% of my waves v5 plugs doesn't work correctly or not (for example: lineq, linMB). Same prob with voxengo! The graphic gui in Fruityloops freez in rewiremodus. The rewire modus in Sonar is a kind of "vsti bridge" with a latenz from 768ms (in cubase i have 5ms!!!). The audioloopeditor has a bad sound quality (pitchshifting - uaaahhh). Then you must by a licenc to use the mp3 encoder. Sonar gives so a short bad sound when i push play or stop.

But, the lexicon plug is realy good!!! and the intern fx, too!

Everyone here, who knows Hans Zimmer? - he use Nuendo!

Which great producer use Sonar?

But

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Nuendo vs Sonar again

Nuendo or Sonar