Tracktion--I have seen the light

[popsych]

sssshhhh!!!!

Anyone who can't get their heads around the concept that Tracktion's mixer is properly integrated into the arrange page, rather than being a slavish imitation of out-dated hardware, needs to stick with their crappy tracker programs IMO.

We have enough morons on the RMS forum already.

You really think the tracktion aproach is innovation ? I personally can't work with it. Cause while i'm arranging i don't want my effects and faders on each track poking my eyes out and distracting me. I want an arrange window.

Tracktion is nice i'll admit, with good features, good VFM and a fresh new concept but it could also include a mixer just as easily.
And if you think that all the major hosts are trackers YOU need to wake up and not be a moron mate.

[MaxC]

My favorite Tracktion feature is definitely the use of "racks". Routing just feels so much more quick and intuitive when presented in a visually modular format. And working with a plugin with 32 outputs like Battery 2 in a rack sure beats the hell out of having to scroll all over the Cubase mixer to find the bus you want.

The vector graphics are nice too .

[Lunch Money]

You really think the tracktion aproach is innovation ? I personally can't work with it. Cause while i'm arranging i don't want my effects and faders on each track poking my eyes out and distracting me. I want an arrange window.

Yes, the approach IS innovation. Sometimes the simplest things are the most innovative. In a way, it's almost SO simple and obvious that it's amazing nobody's done it this way before.

I have to admit, while I DO understand people who prefer other hosts (hey, we all have the vibe and features that we like!), I can't understand a blanket statement like, "I can't work with it," because I'm never sure what people are referring to. There's not a single feature that would make it more DIFFICULT, even if the way it's laid out isn't your preference.

I'm not sure what you mean about effects and faders poking your eyes out. In exactly 1 second you can resize that whole area of the screen... make it bigger for when you want to "mix" and smaller when you want more real-estate. In T2, that will be taken a step further with the ability to completely hide the left or the right, giving you more 'arrangement' space than any other sequencer that I'm aware of.

Even without resizing, in no way do Tracktion's tracks have any less horizontal real-estate than tracks in, say, Cubase. Further, it's much easier to zoom them in both directions for getting into surgically precise edits.

Arrangement window? Tracktion *IS* an arrangement Window.

Tracktion is nice i'll admit, with good features, good VFM and a fresh new concept but it could also include a mixer just as easily.

True, but the reason it's not included is because it simply isn't necessary. It would be redundant, and a waste of at least a few hours coding time if not more.

And if you think that all the major hosts are trackers YOU need to wake up and not be a moron mate.

Hey, we don't ALL feel that way. Some of us admire and respect other sequencers, or at least certain aspects of them!

Greg

[IIRs]

And if you think that all the major hosts are trackers YOU need to wake up and not be a moron mate.

I earn my living with Cubase.

The Tracker comment was aimed mainly at BONES, but you seem a bit of a moron too so never mind eh?

[BONES]

I would agree that having the analogue model of however many faders in a line gives a nice visual feedback but in saying that (having had a soundcraft Ghost mixer) this gets lost in big mixes and doesn't really help

Couldn't agree less. Nothing gives a faster, better overview of a project than a full mixer. At a glance you can see levels, EQ of all channels [relative to one-another] and what effects are going where. No need to go in and expand channels one at a time - its all right at your fingertips.

[IIRs]

At a glance you can see levels, EQ of all channels [relative to one-another]

I do all that with my ears..

[BONES]

In the end, I'm sure we all do but matching what you hear to the interface is a necessary part of the equation. Its easy enough when you've been working on a project for a period of time but when you come in cold you need to know where to go to fix the problems you hear.

[IIRs]

Thats exactly why I like Tracktion: all the audio parameters are in the same place as the track itself: you otoh, have to open a seperate window, and try to relate the faders on there to the tracks on your arrange page. Urgh!

[TVD]

But it doesn't have a mixer!?!

Yes it does.

It on the right side of the monitor screen.

[mauseoleum]

I have seen the light

me too, me too!

tungsram, 60W, 230V, 50Hz.

like a living daylight!

[TVD]

Just a simple comment before going to bed. I feel like an imbecile, as I must be the last one in the universe not to have toyed with Tracktion before half an hour ago, but:

IT DOTH ROCK THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!

Dustin

I still have the limited-edition free copy of Tracktion v1.6.

It was stupid easy to use. Very user-friendly. And having just one page on screen without a hardware-looking mixer was no big deal.

But...

For anyone who is very happy with FLS (like myself), Orion, Live, or Acid Pro, you don't necessary need Tracktion right now. Just wait until Tracktion 2 or 3 (like I'm doing) and then we will really see what this host can do what the other can't.

EDIT: I also have Audition for recording vocals. So if you have that or Pro-Tools, you still don't need Tracktion....yet.

[popsych]

And if you think that all the major hosts are trackers YOU need to wake up and not be a moron mate.

I earn my living with Cubase.

The Tracker comment was aimed mainly at BONES, but you seem a bit of a moron too so never mind eh?

Sorry for jumping out like that but i really get frustrated when i hear people talk about Tracktion like it's panacea, eXT manna from heaven, or orion is the ultimate synth station ,hm hm hint.

It annoys me to present any host as perfect cause they're not. Daily i am annoyed over logic for not offering PDC, or SAMP for all those menus and the nasty midi, or cubase for it's bad ergonomics . . . e.t.c

What is good or not is subjective and i said

I personally can't work with it.

. I prefer my logic environment any day, and i don't get confused over which fader goes with what cause when double clicked my tracks take me to their faders and they also show on my screen when their track is selected. I prefer a mixer. I find it inspires me more to mix than the tracktion interface.

So sorry for being different than you Tracktioneers but I just expressed my personal oppinion.

Oh and thanks for the moron. Compliments will get you everywhere :p

[popsych]

And if you think that all the major hosts are trackers YOU need to wake up and not be a moron mate.

I earn my living with Cubase.

The Tracker comment was aimed mainly at BONES, but you seem a bit of a moron too so never mind eh?

Sorry for jumping out like that but i really get frustrated when i hear people talk about Tracktion like it's panacea, eXT manna from heaven, or orion is the ultimate synth station ,hm hm hint.

It annoys me to present any host as perfect cause they're not. Daily i am annoyed over logic for not offering PDC, or SAMP for all those menus and the nasty midi, or cubase for it's bad ergonomics . . . e.t.c

What is good or not is subjective and i said

I personally can't work with it.

. I prefer my logic environment any day, and i don't get confused over which fader goes with what cause when double clicked my tracks take me to their faders and they also show on my screen when their track is selected. I prefer a mixer. I find it inspires me more to mix than the tracktion interface.

So sorry for being different than you Tracktioneers but I just expressed my personal oppinion.

Oh and thanks for the moron. Compliments will get you everywhere :p

[bugs]

I'm an SX/Reason/FL Studio/Acid/Sibelius user who has recent discovered Tracktion and I am very impressed so far and am really looking forward to version 2. It took me less than a day to learn how to use it--that the kind of learning curve I like in a piece of software. It is simplicity itself--a great leap forward. I don't like that it can't be spread over two or three screens (it sort of feels that you're playing a sequencer game), but very much like that everything is on one screen--no more toggling! It seems to sound very good too, which is what I liked about SX out of the box. For those who don't need all the extra features in SX or Sonar (or Logic) its a marvel. I find it particularly useful in conjunction with Sibelius. (The score editors in SX/Sonar/Logic are virtually useless for serious notation needs--they should just drop them them and cut the prices.)

[Lunch Money]

No need to apologize for an opinion, but when somebody says, "Hey, I love this thing!" and you jump in and imply that they're nuts for loving something, you can't expect to NOT get a few retorts.

Make sure you extend to others the same courtesy and ability to have an opinion. Just because I'm a huge Tracktion advocate doesn't mean that I think it's perfect. There are at least 5 more fairly 'major' features I'd like it to have (some of them already addressed in T2) to make it closer to that panacea.

Also, I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, I merely pointed out that saying, "I personally can't work with it" is not much of a statement, because of course you're already used to a certain way of working. But the implied message was, "I think it's laid out in a very silly way," when more accurately it's just that you're not accustomed to it.

At the end of the day, it's a great tool (and HAS a mixer, BONES. ) as long as you're looking for it. If you're already thrilled with your current host, why bother changing at all? If you can do everything you need to do with the tools you already have, what's the need to install something for a half hour and give it a dismissive review? I don't think anyone in this thread has done it, but I've heard of people installing it for even LESS time, but simply because they were LOOKING for reasons to bash it.

You can't "properly" try something new out unless you're genuinely interested in it and genuinely considering the change. If you're not ready to switch (not just to Tracktion, but to ANYTHING else, like from Mac to PC or PC to Mac for example), you won't have an open enough mind to look with a fresh perspective. Rather, you'll be busy comparing it to the thing that you're already happy with, and at times where the new concept or program doesn't align with your current concept or program, you will see it as a "flaw" rather than just a different way of doing things.

Greg