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Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:16 am

Hey! Thanks Lunatique!

Can you give me a frequency range for what you're calling the "body"?

Near as I can tell, I botched the 700 to 1.5 range, and overkilled the upper 8 to 10K. Ear fatigue.

It's 1:00AM here, and the alarm goes off in 5 hours. I'll repost again tomorrow eve, after work, with fresh ears.

birrbits · Post by **birrbits** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:24 am

Lunatique wrote:
Landphil wrote:that would require an insane amount of harddrive space, unless I archive them all as high quality mp3s first.

2 words, DVD burner, if you can afford it, it is definately the way to go. I would only mp3 what you don't think you will actually use again

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:00 am

birrman - Do you really think that high-quality mp3 isn't sufficient enough for cassette tapes? I know that CDs translate to about 44.1 Khz and 16 bit, but what would cassette tapes translate to?

Landphil - I think it's basially the lower mids that's disappeared, and maybe some of the mids as well. I can't say unless I throw yours into a host and try to eq some of it back, but I'm kinda tied up at the moment. Might try it later tonight.

stian · Post by **stian** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:32 am

Lunatique wrote:stian - Wow! Your remaster is so much better than what I did. Can you give some more detail on your approach?

Thanks - I did the following on Kujaku:

Added high frequency content using a plug-in I'm developing right now. The algorithm is basically the same as the high frequency rebirth in Acoustica, but it allows better control of the frequency distribution of the synthesized content.
EQ (boosted around 7 kHz and attenuated peak at 9 kHz present in original - don't remember bandwidth or gain anymore)
Noise reduction using the noise profile you provided.

These were the steps on Shinsei:

Corrected azimuth error by shifting the right channel 8 samples to the left.
Normalized both channels individually.
Added high frequency content using the new plug-in.
EQ
Noise reduction using the noise profile you provided.

Apart from the high frequency generator, everything was done using the tools in Acoustica.

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:17 am

jbravo - I got your email. Man, your version is really shrill! Do you have the bass turned way up on your monitors?

stian - Is your plugin going to be made public?

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:15 am

oh well at least you got it - it was done with my headphones on so I expected the overall eq to be kind of off

stian · Post by **stian** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:30 pm

Lunatique wrote:stian - Is your plugin going to be made public?

Yes, I'm planning a plug-in pack for noise reduction, including a new perceptually motivated broadband denoiser, declicker, decrackler and the tool for high frequency resynthesis. It is not quite ready yet, though...

Patrick9 · Post by **Patrick9** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:50 pm

I didn't have a lot of time to spend on this but I found it an interesting challenge and I wanted to try out Harbal in this context.

Kajuku

Here are the stages:

1: de-noise using the noiseprint in Cool EditPro2(demo)
2: Harbal - smoothing the frequency curve
3: Spectralizer, Sonitus EQ (slight treble boost) and Magneto 1.5 for a bit of warmth.(All in Wavelab)

Not sure how this compares to the others but see what you think.

Cheers,

Pat

p.s. sorry I got the name wrong

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:11 pm

patrick9 - I'm not sure how you did it, but you somehow made the percussion section really strange--almost like they are underwater.

The string section sounds pretty good though.

Patrick9 · Post by **Patrick9** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:24 pm

Lunatique wrote:patrick9 - I'm not sure how you did it, but you somehow made the percussion section really strange--almost like they are underwater. The string section sounds pretty good though.

I hadn't realised that about the percussion but I guess it must be an artifact of my (over-enthusiastic) Harbal smoothing. Oops

dramsenik · Post by **dramsenik** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:33 pm

Lunatique,
I hope you don't mind if i posted your "trash clip" over another forum as i find this interesting...lot's of really differents versions.

I will see if "it takes" over there and will post the results if yes.

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:19 pm

Hey, more the merrier. And if someone can actually identify the singer in the Shinsei clip, I would probably give him/her a very nice gift in return. I've been trying for about fifteen years to find out who sings that song.

Patrick9 · Post by **Patrick9** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:02 pm

Damn - I knew this would happen. I've got sucked in

Here's another version, this time I realised it was the noise reduction giving that strange effect so this version uses Steinberg De-noiser first in the Wavelab chain after Harbal.

Kujaku

sirocco · Post by **sirocco** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:19 pm

Lunatique wrote:patrick9 - I'm not sure how you did it, but you somehow made the percussion section really strange--almost like they are underwater. The string section sounds pretty good though.

its from remvoing certian musical frequencies with noise reduction tools.

Landphil · Post by **Landphil** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:21 pm

Forgot to post my chain last night.

Wavelab, Kjaerhus Classic EQ, Redunoise, then Harbal.

It is easy to get sucked in, isn't it?

I'm gonna have another go tonight.

Remastering/restoration showdown!