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TheStorm · Post by **TheStorm** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:36 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
theshaggyfreak wrote: Rush's Vapor Trails is just too difficult for me to listen to. The songs are great, but the compression really ruins it.
They need to come up with a new word for mastering jobs like that. Compression is far too tame a word. More like dynamic obliteration.

Stunned, I suddenly realize that you have just invented the name of my next CD - Dynamic Obliteration!

What a RELIEF it is to hear you guys agreeing with me! I thought you guys were going to razz me as a rank amateur, and worse yet, I thought I was the only one!

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:36 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
theshaggyfreak wrote: Rush's Vapor Trails is just too difficult for me to listen to. The songs are great, but the compression really ruins it.
They need to come up with a new word for mastering jobs like that. Compression is far too tame a word. More like dynamic obliteration.

yep! (sorry if I have to shock you once more but we agree again...

) - Vapour Trails is even clipping!

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:39 pm

jens wrote: yep! Vapour Trails is even clipping!

oh, the perfect finale for a great career

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:40 pm

nuffink wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
nuffink wrote:So if I over use compression can I be guaranteed to sound nothing like anything ever touched by alan parsons?
Any other tips on not sounding like him?
So, you don't like the sound of Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road?
No.

too bad for you!

theshaggyfreak · Post by **theshaggyfreak** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:41 pm

jens wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
theshaggyfreak wrote: Rush's Vapor Trails is just too difficult for me to listen to. The songs are great, but the compression really ruins it.
They need to come up with a new word for mastering jobs like that. Compression is far too tame a word. More like dynamic obliteration.
yep! (sorry if I have to shock you once more but we agree again... ) - Vapour Trails is even clipping!

Yeah, I'm not surprised. I pulled up one of the songs in a wav editor, an it was just a solid block. I will never have a CD out that is squashed to hell like that. Personally, I'd be embarassed. The 'record industry' has this stupid belief that their album has to be just as loud as the next guys from when it's played on the radio. No wonder I barely listen to music on the radio these days.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:42 pm

jens wrote:
nuffink wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
nuffink wrote:So if I over use compression can I be guaranteed to sound nothing like anything ever touched by alan parsons?
Any other tips on not sounding like him?
So, you don't like the sound of Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road?
No.
too bad for you!

Indeed. I always feel bad about not being stuck in the 1970's.

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:43 pm

nuffink wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
nuffink wrote:So if I over use compression can I be guaranteed to sound nothing like anything ever touched by alan parsons?
Any other tips on not sounding like him?
So, you don't like the sound of Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road?
No.

Is it the music itself you don't like, or the way it was recorded? If you simply don't like the actual music, that's not Alan's fault. He didn't play it.

I think most people find Alan's recording skills to be quite acceptable, to say the least. I would be interested in reading anything online that says why he's supposedly not so good.

take care,
McLilith

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:43 pm

jens wrote:Vapour Trails is even clipping!

I like that term too.

They should have named the album "Square Sine"

theStorm wrote:Stunned, I suddenly realize that you have just invented the name of my next CD - Dynamic Obliteration

Sorry, I already put in for the Sonic Obliteration(tm)

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:44 pm

nuffink wrote:Indeed. I always feel bad about not being stuck in the 1970's.

Since that's when all the good music and when people actually cared what the stuff sounded like, I can feel your pain.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:45 pm

McLilith wrote:
nuffink wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
nuffink wrote:So if I over use compression can I be guaranteed to sound nothing like anything ever touched by alan parsons?
Any other tips on not sounding like him?
So, you don't like the sound of Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road?
No.
Is it the music itself you don't like, or the way it was recorded? If you simply don't like the actual music, that's not Alan's fault. He didn't play it.

Having been forced to endure a fair bit of the alan parson project, I feel we can all be grateful for that small mercy.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:49 pm

nuffink wrote: Having been forced to endure a fair bit of the alan parson project, I feel we can all be grateful for that small mercy.

Dude, a few things here.

#1: Alan Parsons Project has 2 good albums (not great) and 2 soso. But on everything from the first to now the engineering is pristine.

#2: Evaluating engineering/production and evaluating musical content are at the least two entirely different things.

#3: #2 as a concept seems to have been lost for the last 15 years and for whatever reason the music is gone and all anyone is concerned with is "how f**king loud can I get the beat"

#4: This message brought to you by the year 1973 and the letter F and U

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:50 pm

nuffink wrote:
jens wrote:
nuffink wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
nuffink wrote:So if I over use compression can I be guaranteed to sound nothing like anything ever touched by alan parsons?
Any other tips on not sounding like him?
So, you don't like the sound of Dark Side of the Moon or Abbey Road?
No.
too bad for you!
Indeed. I always feel bad about not being stuck in the 1970's.

so if I like it it means that I'm 'stuck in the 1970's '? - that's indeed highly probable!

edit: f**king typos...

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:50 pm

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:51 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote: #4: This message brought to you by the year 1973 and the letter F and U

I wasn't even born in 1973!

McLilith · Post by **McLilith** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:52 pm

nuffink wrote:Having been forced to endure a fair bit of the alan parson project, I feel we can all be grateful for that small mercy.

Okay, please tell me in what way Alan Parsons screwed up the actual recording aspect of Dark Side of The Moon, and Abbey Road. Specifically, what did he do wrong?

Also, keep in mind the type of gear he had to work with at that time. In other words, don't tell us that he should have used some equipment that didn't even exist then.

take care,
McLilith

Alan Parsons on compression - from the man himself...