PaulG --
The US-122 is 24-bit right?... I'm wondering since I just RTFM (shocker), it says to make sure you launch your DAW app (SONAR in my case) first, and then launch the GP software, and then the GP will adapt to your bit and sampling rates... I wasn't doing that last night (I just bought the thing, couldn't be bothered to actually read how to use it) and so I'm wondering if I do that if I can keep SONAR in 24-bit and not have to come down to 16-bit?...
GuitarPort and PODxt?
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- KVRian
- 850 posts since 16 Jun, 2004
Get a Vetta II, that's what I did 
Seriously though, if you aren't playing live then the Pod XT should be fine. The only thing a $299 Pod XT doesn't have that my $1,699 Vetta II does have is the ability to run two amp models at once. Aside from that the tone is very similar.
Before there used to be some big differences, but the Pod XT update that made model packs possible really closed the gap. Now I can make patches on a Pod and transfer them to my Vetta with very little difference in sound.
Then the Guitarport was updated to take model packs. Once again, it was a huge update that overhauled large parts of the sound. I can't honestly say how close a Guitarport is to a Pod XT, as I've never used one. I'd imagine the difference is small.
I think the important thing here is whether you'd rather spend a bit more money to get a version that won't eat CPU cycles and has a nice hardware interface.
Oh, and my bass (Ibanez SRX705) sounds GREAT through my Vetta II. I'm used to being able to closely emulate any guitar tone I hear on an album, but I'm amazed at how close I can get with the bass too.
Seriously though, if you aren't playing live then the Pod XT should be fine. The only thing a $299 Pod XT doesn't have that my $1,699 Vetta II does have is the ability to run two amp models at once. Aside from that the tone is very similar.
Before there used to be some big differences, but the Pod XT update that made model packs possible really closed the gap. Now I can make patches on a Pod and transfer them to my Vetta with very little difference in sound.
Then the Guitarport was updated to take model packs. Once again, it was a huge update that overhauled large parts of the sound. I can't honestly say how close a Guitarport is to a Pod XT, as I've never used one. I'd imagine the difference is small.
I think the important thing here is whether you'd rather spend a bit more money to get a version that won't eat CPU cycles and has a nice hardware interface.
Oh, and my bass (Ibanez SRX705) sounds GREAT through my Vetta II. I'm used to being able to closely emulate any guitar tone I hear on an album, but I'm amazed at how close I can get with the bass too.
Excuse all the blood.
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- KVRian
- 1283 posts since 13 Nov, 2004
Oh yeah......If I had superhuman endurance and places to store all that.........yes........It would be super.jantzen wrote:So, a podxt over a GP. What about PodXT Pro? Does it have no advantage apart from the connectivity???
GP - 80 Pounds
PODxt - 240 Pounds
PODxt Live - 350 Pounds
PODxt Pro - 400 Pounds
I won't be considering the Live cos I won't be gigging with it, I still much much more prefer the analog sound over digital.
Jantzen
As far as the xtpro in concerned I don't think the foot control is not included as far as I know (eyeknow.?) There is a spidf out and xlr connections.......and I think an fx loop.......and it's rack mountable.......I know I'm missing something........
I like the live since it's all together. I'm 135 years old and I just can't stand shleping shit around anymore......
It's well made..........check one out if you can at the store.........it's really solid construction.
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- KVRist
- 59 posts since 23 Sep, 2003
The 'Port' can be used as your sound card by monitoring the RCA outs. The only problem I have found with this is getting a decent signal into Tracktion with just the 'Port' itself. That is why I run the RCA outs through my mixer and back into my sound card. My sound card is an Echo Digital Mia, which is why I would much rather use it's drivers than the 'Port's. 
May the passionate fire of Music mold your soul into the image of the Master Musician.
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- KVRist
- 55 posts since 11 Nov, 2003 from Geelong - Australia
I have a GuitarPort with the model packs and think it's great. I compared it to a PodXT and found that when using higher output pickups with some models the GP gave a more compressed sound as opposed to the open sound of the PodXT. Same settings across both, the in-built compressor turned off, but it sounded like there was a compressor running on the GP. My Wolfgang really showed this when compared to my Strat.
That said, I wouldn't trade my GP for anything.
That said, I wouldn't trade my GP for anything.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
"Doesn't anyone else have problems with having either the guitarport, or another line6 product connected with usb CONFLICTING with the "better" soundcard they are using?"
I found a solution to my problem on the Line6 support forums.. Essentially the fix was to install ASIO4ALL. Now I have my ECHO Mia and my GuitarPort both setup within ASIO4ALL, and I set SONAR up to use the ASIO4ALL drivers at 24-bit. I can now use the GuitarPort as an input to a track, and monitor it through my Echo! I don't need to route any output through the GuitarPort anymore, and I can get my latency down to 5.8ms reliably, probably lower if I tried. I am using the 6.08 version of the Echo drivers if anyone cares about that, and the latest for the GuitarPort.
Give it a shot, it makes working with the GP + SONAR SOOOOOO much nicer!
I found a solution to my problem on the Line6 support forums.. Essentially the fix was to install ASIO4ALL. Now I have my ECHO Mia and my GuitarPort both setup within ASIO4ALL, and I set SONAR up to use the ASIO4ALL drivers at 24-bit. I can now use the GuitarPort as an input to a track, and monitor it through my Echo! I don't need to route any output through the GuitarPort anymore, and I can get my latency down to 5.8ms reliably, probably lower if I tried. I am using the 6.08 version of the Echo drivers if anyone cares about that, and the latest for the GuitarPort.
Give it a shot, it makes working with the GP + SONAR SOOOOOO much nicer!
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- KVRian
- 1107 posts since 31 Oct, 2002 from the high desert
Hey-I posted that there,but I got the idea from a post here at KVR!
Small world,or somethin'...
Glad it works for you.I still get some problems,but the Pod USB driver has been problematic on my system from the start.
Small world,or somethin'...
Glad it works for you.I still get some problems,but the Pod USB driver has been problematic on my system from the start.
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- Professional KVR Browser
- 55 posts since 7 Aug, 2002 from London
I was a bit dissapointed by the connectivity of GP - I thought as it acts a ASIO input I would be able to just select it as an input, while monitoring through my Audiophile - but alas it's one of the other with ASIO drivers in Sonar...however, I soon realised that hooking through my Audiobuddy preamp and into my Audiophile was the best way to go. If I want to add fx to it from within Sonar when monitoring, I get ultra-low latency this way too....looking above though, might look into the ASIO4ALL option....
Now it's all set-up, it really does kick-ass. I had a POD before, and was also using plug-ins. The GP sounds a lot better than the POD IMHO - the POD sounded muffled in comparison. After playing through the GP for a while, I went back to Guitar Rig and Amplitube demos and just found that the tone didn't come close to the GP (although the fx in Guitar Rig do blow me away). So, when it comes down to it the XT and GP sound the same...so it all comes down to whether you want to be able to play through it away from your PC. For me, I always play in front of my PC so it's a no-brainer.
...on top of that, bought the GP on ebay for £40, and the guy I bought it from had a 12 month subscription to GP Online...with 11 months still to go. Bonus! If he'd put that in the ad, the price would have gone up quite a bit.
Now, with my GP, Variax and Workbench (in the post), guitar tone is in the bag!!
Now it's all set-up, it really does kick-ass. I had a POD before, and was also using plug-ins. The GP sounds a lot better than the POD IMHO - the POD sounded muffled in comparison. After playing through the GP for a while, I went back to Guitar Rig and Amplitube demos and just found that the tone didn't come close to the GP (although the fx in Guitar Rig do blow me away). So, when it comes down to it the XT and GP sound the same...so it all comes down to whether you want to be able to play through it away from your PC. For me, I always play in front of my PC so it's a no-brainer.
...on top of that, bought the GP on ebay for £40, and the guy I bought it from had a 12 month subscription to GP Online...with 11 months still to go. Bonus! If he'd put that in the ad, the price would have gone up quite a bit.
Now, with my GP, Variax and Workbench (in the post), guitar tone is in the bag!!
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- KVRAF
- 2744 posts since 5 Dec, 2003 from Harlan's World
With the Pod XT Pro you can record the dry and the processed signal simultaneously without resorting to trickery. I have the Pod XT, though, which replaced a GP because I sometimes need to bring my gear with me and the Pod XT is more portable than the GP since I don't have to bring my computer along...
BTW I find that Amplitube is easier to use when working on my computer - perfect for reamping etc.
BTW I find that Amplitube is easier to use when working on my computer - perfect for reamping etc.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
studiosonic --
just to clarify, it is not the fault of the GP that you can only select either/or with the ASIO drivers. Thats a limitation of ASIO. Only one ASIO device can be enabled at a time.
ASIO4ALL creates a "virtual" ASIO driver that talks to as many interfaces as you setup via their WDM drivers.
The main problem I had with the GuitarPort is that the WDM drivers in SONAR are only seen as 16-bit so it would bring my whole project down to 16-bit. With ASIO4ALL it still uses the WDM drivers for the GuitarPort, but it is able to talk to the GP at 24-bit. nice.
just to clarify, it is not the fault of the GP that you can only select either/or with the ASIO drivers. Thats a limitation of ASIO. Only one ASIO device can be enabled at a time.
ASIO4ALL creates a "virtual" ASIO driver that talks to as many interfaces as you setup via their WDM drivers.
The main problem I had with the GuitarPort is that the WDM drivers in SONAR are only seen as 16-bit so it would bring my whole project down to 16-bit. With ASIO4ALL it still uses the WDM drivers for the GuitarPort, but it is able to talk to the GP at 24-bit. nice.
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- KVRian
- 1107 posts since 31 Oct, 2002 from the high desert
...and to clarify further-you guys using Sonar dont even have to use ASIO at all-with WDM you can use multiple devices,including GP or PodXT.
Also,if you are using ASIO4ALL in Sonar (or anything else),you still ARE using ASIO,not WDM...
Also,if you are using ASIO4ALL in Sonar (or anything else),you still ARE using ASIO,not WDM...
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- Professional KVR Browser
- 55 posts since 7 Aug, 2002 from London
napsack -Yeah, I read that it was an ASIO limitation when I was looking into it at the time. I'll look into your solution though. Looks good.
kovacs - Reamping-wise, the GP obviously falls flat, but after using plug-ins and re-amping for quite a while and then going back to "old school" recording I don't miss it. Of course, it would be great to have a VST plugin so you could do re-amping with GP, but I find the GP tonally better than Amplitube, so tweak less anyway. Even when ramping I don't tend to touch the tone much once it's recorded, just when tracking and obviously that can be done with the GP.
Aural Chaos - I find ASIO gives me a much better performance and latency in Sonar than WDM with my Audiophile, so I tend to stick with it.
kovacs - Reamping-wise, the GP obviously falls flat, but after using plug-ins and re-amping for quite a while and then going back to "old school" recording I don't miss it. Of course, it would be great to have a VST plugin so you could do re-amping with GP, but I find the GP tonally better than Amplitube, so tweak less anyway. Even when ramping I don't tend to touch the tone much once it's recorded, just when tracking and obviously that can be done with the GP.
Aural Chaos - I find ASIO gives me a much better performance and latency in Sonar than WDM with my Audiophile, so I tend to stick with it.
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
Aural -- Maybe other folks have had better luck with the GP in Sonar using its WDM drivers, but not me. I was unable to ever get SONAR to see the GP as a 24-bit audio device using WDM drivers. Even tried modifying the AUD.INI file to set Use24BitExtensions=1 and what-not. Apparently I am not alone in having difficulty with the GP/PodXT + WDM + SONAR. There was a recent thread on Line6's discussion forums regarding this issue.
And I guess as a technicality, with ASIO4ALL you are using ASIO AND WDM. Sonar talks to ASIO4ALL as ASIO, ASIO4ALL talks to the devices via WDM. (you can verify this by loading up your Pod/GP Control Panel when you load SONAR and you'll see the little light next to "WDM Interface" go green, not the ASIO interface light).
And I guess as a technicality, with ASIO4ALL you are using ASIO AND WDM. Sonar talks to ASIO4ALL as ASIO, ASIO4ALL talks to the devices via WDM. (you can verify this by loading up your Pod/GP Control Panel when you load SONAR and you'll see the little light next to "WDM Interface" go green, not the ASIO interface light).