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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
yeah ... you dont want it stirred do you ???
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- KVRAF
- 2093 posts since 19 Jun, 2003 from UTM 18 317254E 4295335N (WGS84/NAD83)
OK. Let's put a stop to this now. I was joking. There is a member of the KvR community (as it were) who shall remain nameless but more importantly has on many occasions suggested that there is some kind of conspiracy of other members that deliberately plays "dirty tricks" (like the Nixon kind) in order to prevent that person from achieving their goals. Despite their repeated threats to abandon this site to its own venal ways, they come back regularly and make more accusations. I hate conspiracy theories and despise wild accusations, but I brought it up in order to hijack this thread. THERE IS NO CABAL. Besides if there was, I would deny it.
We now return you to this topic already in progress. I need another drink.
We now return you to this topic already in progress. I need another drink.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
ooh ... i was thinking of someone else ENTIRELY ...
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
If anything, this poll shows that the concept of competition – and the way the voting is happening is fundamentality flawed – does anyone disagree – and if so why?
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
But who? there are so many to chose frompHz wrote:ooh ... i was thinking of someone else ENTIRELY ...
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Best regards,
Spe3d
:O)
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- KVRAF
- 2093 posts since 19 Jun, 2003 from UTM 18 317254E 4295335N (WGS84/NAD83)
I agree with farlukar. Fundamentally flawed or just inherently flawed, it is what it is. Let's remember that it's free, grass-roots spirited, generously goodnatured and supportive to almost all who enter, free, easy to access and enter, free, global, open-minded and, yes, free. It's also a beauty contest, sometimes it's hit-or-miss and imperfect. Warts and all, it's still the best game in town.
As long as I've been a part of this, there have been voters who (for plenty of
*good* reasons) haven't listened to all the entries. Any there are plenty that do, but have no taste in music, and even more who still can barely accept anything beyond their narrow-bandpass-filter of disposition. The old Not My Cup of Tea (NMCOT) Syndrome. That's OK with me.
Despite those imperfections, it's as democratic and open as it can be without much intrusive or recondite security or validation. I often consider ways to improve it, but I don't have any surefire answers.
As long as I've been a part of this, there have been voters who (for plenty of
*good* reasons) haven't listened to all the entries. Any there are plenty that do, but have no taste in music, and even more who still can barely accept anything beyond their narrow-bandpass-filter of disposition. The old Not My Cup of Tea (NMCOT) Syndrome. That's OK with me.
Despite those imperfections, it's as democratic and open as it can be without much intrusive or recondite security or validation. I often consider ways to improve it, but I don't have any surefire answers.
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
I just run Garret's downloader tool. If I've submitted an entry, I feel it is my duty to write a review of some kind on every track that get's downloaded. For those who haven't done this, let me just say that it's a load of work. But it does force me to critically listen to each of those tracks; usually a couple of times through. And it forces me to write something about my first impressions - sometimes quite a difficult task again.
It usually takes me several hours to listen and review each track - longer in fact, than the time that I spent making my June entry from soup to nuts.
Garret's downloader tool let's me do that job without having to mine the rules & submissions thread or chase down whether something will load or not. Because many of the submissions that do not mirror are not properly tagged in the file name, I can't even tell which tracks I would have to go through the pages upon pages of submissions to find which ones did not go through.
If entries don't stream properly or can't be mirrored, then I end up not reviewing them or hearing them.
I'm not saying that the way I do it is the only way, but it's the only way that works for me to be an active participant as both a submitter of tunes, as well as a voter of the same.
-Scott
It usually takes me several hours to listen and review each track - longer in fact, than the time that I spent making my June entry from soup to nuts.
Garret's downloader tool let's me do that job without having to mine the rules & submissions thread or chase down whether something will load or not. Because many of the submissions that do not mirror are not properly tagged in the file name, I can't even tell which tracks I would have to go through the pages upon pages of submissions to find which ones did not go through.
If entries don't stream properly or can't be mirrored, then I end up not reviewing them or hearing them.
I'm not saying that the way I do it is the only way, but it's the only way that works for me to be an active participant as both a submitter of tunes, as well as a voter of the same.
-Scott
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35446 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
You™ quoth I agree with farlukar. Fundamentally flawed or just inherently flawed, it is what it is. Let's remember that it's free, grass-roots spirited, generously goodnatured and supportive to almost all who enter, free, easy to access and enter, free, global, open-minded and, yes, free. It's also a beauty contest, sometimes it's hit-or-miss and imperfect. Warts and all, it's still the best game in town.
As long as I've been a part of this, there have been voters who (for plenty of
*good* reasons) haven't listened to all the entries. Any there are plenty that do, but have no taste in music, and even more who still can barely accept anything beyond their narrow-bandpass-filter of disposition. The old Not My Cup of Tea (NMCOT) Syndrome. That's OK with me.
Despite those imperfections, it's as democratic and open as it can be without much intrusive or recondite security or validation. I often consider ways to improve it, but I don't have any surefire answers.
Seconded.
Is there anything about KVR you dont complain about as being flawed, Sp3d?
As long as I've been a part of this, there have been voters who (for plenty of
*good* reasons) haven't listened to all the entries. Any there are plenty that do, but have no taste in music, and even more who still can barely accept anything beyond their narrow-bandpass-filter of disposition. The old Not My Cup of Tea (NMCOT) Syndrome. That's OK with me.
Despite those imperfections, it's as democratic and open as it can be without much intrusive or recondite security or validation. I often consider ways to improve it, but I don't have any surefire answers.
Seconded.
Is there anything about KVR you dont complain about as being flawed, Sp3d?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
thirded ...whyterabbyt wrote:You™ quoth I agree with farlukar. Fundamentally flawed or just inherently flawed, it is what it is. Let's remember that it's free, grass-roots spirited, generously goodnatured and supportive to almost all who enter, free, easy to access and enter, free, global, open-minded and, yes, free. It's also a beauty contest, sometimes it's hit-or-miss and imperfect. Warts and all, it's still the best game in town.
As long as I've been a part of this, there have been voters who (for plenty of
*good* reasons) haven't listened to all the entries. Any there are plenty that do, but have no taste in music, and even more who still can barely accept anything beyond their narrow-bandpass-filter of disposition. The old Not My Cup of Tea (NMCOT) Syndrome. That's OK with me.
Despite those imperfections, it's as democratic and open as it can be without much intrusive or recondite security or validation. I often consider ways to improve it, but I don't have any surefire answers.
Seconded.
Is there anything about KVR you dont complain about as being flawed, Sp3d?
... from my point of view the slightly shambolic ad hoc nature of most aspects of the contest is what makes it fun and interesting ...
... the best of what KVR is IMHO
slainte
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
Fourthed! and i agree on the "best" part.pHz wrote:thirded ...whyterabbyt wrote:You™ quoth I agree with farlukar. Fundamentally flawed or just inherently flawed, it is what it is. Let's remember that it's free, grass-roots spirited, generously goodnatured and supportive to almost all who enter, free, easy to access and enter, free, global, open-minded and, yes, free. It's also a beauty contest, sometimes it's hit-or-miss and imperfect. Warts and all, it's still the best game in town.
As long as I've been a part of this, there have been voters who (for plenty of
*good* reasons) haven't listened to all the entries. Any there are plenty that do, but have no taste in music, and even more who still can barely accept anything beyond their narrow-bandpass-filter of disposition. The old Not My Cup of Tea (NMCOT) Syndrome. That's OK with me.
Despite those imperfections, it's as democratic and open as it can be without much intrusive or recondite security or validation. I often consider ways to improve it, but I don't have any surefire answers.
Seconded.
Is there anything about KVR you dont complain about as being flawed, Sp3d?
... from my point of view the slightly shambolic ad hoc nature of most aspects of the contest is what makes it fun and interesting ...
... the best of what KVR is IMHO
slainte
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- addled muppet weed
- 111292 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
pheeleep wrote:Hi You
Are you saying that certain KVR members do not vote based on the quality of the entries, but rather, vote for other members of the "KVR boys club"? They stick together when it comes to voting, and vote for each other, or something? And this is a known thing?
I am definitely not in that club, if that is what it is.
wish it was true i might get more votes
ps i dl from the subs thread as and when i notice new additions,i dont listen till after the subs thread is closed then i choose.
