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IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:12 pm

Kingston wrote:
ummm, and how does not the other sequencers menus appear "right where you need it"?

I get the feeling you never actually tried Tracktion out? Give it a proper go, it would be quicker than trying to explain.. and don't pay any attention to Jens, he has some sort of personal grudge against Jules or Mackie or something and never misses a chance to vent it

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:14 pm

IIRs wrote:
jens wrote: I think bashing is important to put let's say some kind of positive pressure on the developers (obviously doesn't work in the case of TRacktion though... )
Jens, continually posting screenshots of a rival sequencer in the RMS forum, along with insulting mis-information, does not count as "positive pressure".

There is no way that your anti-Tracktion invective can be considered fair or balanced: if it was I would not still be happily using it on a daily basis.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:14 pm

pointless really.. all pointless

Logic is the best of course

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:16 pm

Ooooooooooooooooh!

Now way for us PC users to verify that, though.

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:18 pm

IIRs wrote: don't pay any attention to Jens, he has some sort of personal grudge against Jules or Mackie or something and never misses a chance to vent it

nope, I haven't - in fact I think it's has got a brlliant concept (that's why I started to use it - for what I hoped it would once become) but unfortunately it imo never left infancy and I think it's overall workflow is piss-poor even if it partially shines. The only grudge I have against Jules and Mackie is that they took a great concept and then threw it in the garbage bin...

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:18 pm

IIRs wrote:and don't pay any attention to Jens, he has some sort of personal grudge against Jules or Mackie or something and never misses a chance to vent it

and then you also can look in the mirror and see just where you are standing. The fact you feel like that about jens tells us rest quite a lot already.

I like tracktion for what it is, thought I made that clear already. There's simply no need to defend any of it's features against anything.

jasonsantiago · Post by **jasonsantiago** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:18 pm

Sure there is. Grab a mac, watch logic crash and not have features you want. Awesome!

/end fanboy mode

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:20 pm

jens wrote:
IIRs wrote: don't pay any attention to Jens, he has some sort of personal grudge against Jules or Mackie or something and never misses a chance to vent it

nope, I haven't - in fact I think it's has got a brlliant concept (that's why I started to use it - for what I hoped it would once become) but unfortunately it imo never left infancy and I think it's overall workflow is piss-poor even if it partially shines. The only grudge I have against Jules and Mackie is that they took a great concept and then threw it in the garbage bin...

How exactly did they throw it in the garbage bin?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:21 pm

jasonsantiago wrote:Sure there is. Grab a mac, watch logic crash and not have features you want. Awesome!

/end fanboy mode

Great - and it only costs 4x as much!

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:22 pm

grymmjack wrote:
How exactly did they throw it in the garbage bin?

They didn't immediately add all the features Lord Jens considered of paramount importance.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:23 pm

jens wrote:The only grudge I have against Jules and Mackie is that they took a great concept and then threw it in the garbage bin...

More specifically, they didn't include the features *you* prefer or wanted to have. And more specifically *you* threw it in the bin. Or does the world revolve around you?

IIRs wrote:
grymmjack wrote:
How exactly did they throw it in the garbage bin?
They didn't immediately add all the features Lord Jens considered of paramount importance.

I can see that now. Bad jens. Bad!

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:25 pm

IIRs wrote:
grymmjack wrote:
How exactly did they throw it in the garbage bin?
They didn't immediately add all the features Lord Jens considered of paramount importance.

Ahh.. I can appreciate that sentiment, but I personally think that even if T3 never came to be (and this is a setup for jens to say something like "it wont") I have and will continue to get my monies worth out of T2. To each their own though.

Jens: did you buy tracktion v1 or something long ago?

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:57 pm

Well, uhm, now "rendering" is the new topic of this thread?
Ok, I'll tell you how to do it in my beloved Logic 5.5.1 PC:
- Solo track.
- Disable all sends (otherwise the reverb blurb and such will get rendered too)
- Set locators so they start very well before any actual sound information passes the track (because unreleased buffers may occur on playback start, especially when using NI stuff).
- Select "bounce and add" (don't you fear, it won't add things to any track in your arrange, gotta do that manually as well).
- Go have a coffee. Or two, in case you're working on something longer. Or 5, in case you're working on some half hour track for a concept album. Consider switching to beers instead of coffee because they might calm you down. This is no offline process! No, realtime rendering for real men!
- Finally, if not too drunken yet, drag track from audio window into arrange. Cut potential buffer blurb from the beginning.
- Repeat all the procedure because all of a sudden you detected that the mentioned buffer release stuff was longer than you actually thought (sometimes hung notes last 10 minutes or forever).
- Proceed doing this for each and every track in case you want to mix things in anything else.

Sometimes you just gotta love Logic/PC...

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:58 pm

jasonsantiago wrote:Sure there is. Grab a mac, watch logic crash and not have features you want. Awesome!

/end fanboy mode

9 months, one crash.. was a plugin, didn't even bring the system down

beat that with a PC [cue: BONES and his wonder machine]

[edit] I was lying, two crashes.. I had the drag window crash ones as well

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:00 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:Well, uhm, now "rendering" is the new topic of this thread?
Ok, I'll tell you how to do it in my beloved Logic 5.5.1 PC:
- Solo track.
- Disable all sends (otherwise the reverb blurb and such will get rendered too)
- Set locators so they start very well before any actual sound information passes the track (because unreleased buffers may occur on playback start, especially when using NI stuff).
- Select "bounce and add" (don't you fear, it won't add things to any track in your arrange, gotta do that manually as well).
- Go have a coffee. Or two, in case you're working on something longer. Or 5, in case you're working on some half hour track for a concept album. Consider switching to beers instead of coffee because they might calm you down. This is no offline process! No, realtime rendering for real men!
- Finally, if not too drunken yet, drag track from audio window into arrange. Cut potential buffer blurb from the beginning.
- Repeat all the procedure because all of a sudden you detected that the mentioned buffer release blurb was longer than you actually thought (sometimes hung notes last 10 minutes or forever).
- Proceed doing this for each and every track in case you want to mix things in anything else.

Sometimes you just gotta love Logic/PC...

you oldie

Quite a big disadvantage in Cubase SX3 !!!!!