Legality of distributing sampled synths

[IncarnateX]

double post

[IncarnateX]

It may be a bad surprise, but this is the law. Period.

..said the nazi-commander to the jew...

That would be a lot funnier if I wasn't Jewish.

No, it wouldn't. Not even if I weren't Jewish too. IncarnateX has earned some "Child's Time Out" and will not be able to reply.

Hello Gentlemen!

Fine and fair. This was indeed the most way-out-over-the-top-Godwin I have ever performed. I apologize for my extremely bad manners. Sincerely!

FWIW I have taken my ban like deserved without rage, justifications and projections. What I meant with it and should have written instead would be some like:

Laws should not be followed just because they are laws (just think about Jude-laws and apartheid laws).

A Godwin yes, and maybe still on the egde, but with the intended message.

Okay, so you aren't questioning whether or not this is the law. You are questioning whether or not it is a good law?

Exactly! (Now why didn't I just say this instead, I wonder?)

Are you suggesting then that your rights should trump the rights of the copyright holder?

Absolutely not. Laws has to be followed as is (unless they are extremely oppressive, then we should revolt against them) but they can be subject to discussion and eventually change where I come from, i.e. they are not necessarily fair just because they are laws.

Besides I was just "argumentative" as someone likes to state it around here, because I really don't make my own wavetables and have no intention to do so. I was just kind of stunned that in principle I can not use a samplebased synth's engine to create an original sound and distribute it as a wave to my friends, if I wanted to. But fortunately it seems that at least Korg recognize this. I found this quote in a sticky thread:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59695

No one is allowed to sample the Factory preloaded or after-market sold sounds of our product. If a user creates a truly original sound using the synthesis engine they are free to use it as they choose, but our supplied sounds are our copy written works of art and not allowed to be sampled/resold/etc.

Since there is no mentioning of exceptions, I take that to include the samplebased Korg M1 and the Wavestation, which I own in software versions. I am all fine with that at least one developer thereby avoid the extremes of "derived works".

But the most peculiar thing about all these accusations about justifying piracy is that given I was right in my initial criticism, then I can distribute a one-to-one copy of a wave COMPLETELY LEGALLY.

Puzzled? Here it goes: My initial criticism was about the contrast between distributing a recording of two successively notes with the same sound being legal, because it is a "work", while distributing your own original sound made on the samplebased synth's engine is illegal. No one denied that this was the case, actually many posters rather seemed to defend it. If that is the case, all I have to do is to distribute two notes playing after each other to my friends and in their samplers they can now make a wave from whichever part of "my work" they choose, e.g. a snippet of the first note, and viola; a one-to-one copy of the initial sample.

Fortunately, I have no need of distributing factory presets nor wavetables by virtue of whatever doubtful workarounds. I use and create sounds, if anything, I don't copy them. With Korg's approval, I have no further (principal) problems, since I only own samplebased synths from Korg.

So in this specific case, it seems like the spoiled little mommy child got his will after all, doesn't it?

Salute

[sjm]

Necro thread!

This is my understanding after 21 pages of nonsensical debate:
If I take a picture of the Eiffel Tower at night and load the image into a spectral synthesizer, I am NOT allowed to then record the resulting sound output and distribute it in France.


Is that correct?

[IncarnateX]

If I take a picture of the Eiffel Tower at night and load the image into a spectral synthesizer, I am NOT allowed to then record the resulting sound output and distribute it in France.


Is that correct?

Not if your synth is a Korg. Then you can distribute it in so far as you create a new and original output with the synth engine