Open beta is a way of catching the little things you missed in the beta testing. Even if only 10% report, that's 10% catching little things plus it shows a sign of good faith to potential customers.
Honestly, I can't believe people who are interested in a product are against a public beta. Unless of course they are part of the closed beta team and that "good ol' boy" club I'm speaking of.
Bitwig Studio announced
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- KVRist
- 174 posts since 6 Jan, 2006
Speaking of competition: The next version of FL Studio (Producer Edition is also $199 or so, comes with life time free updates) also appears to feature a "Performance Mode":machinesworking wrote:IMO Logic is at the right price point, $199 to get into it, and $199 for every upgrade.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1593 posts since 19 Aug, 2009
Actually I dont mind it at all, it means the first time I try it will be a smoth (almost) frustation free.hibidy wrote:Open beta is a way of catching the little things you missed in the beta testing. Even if only 10% report, that's 10% catching little things plus it shows a sign of good faith to potential customers.
Honestly, I can't believe people who are interested in a product are against a public beta. Unless of course they are part of the closed beta team and that "good ol' boy" club I'm speaking of.
I hate the "this feature is so coollll, I am doing my be.s..t ... crash
" thing.I still tryed to be on beta, but honestly others would do a better job.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Yeah, I don't know about this smooth frustration free thing. Not seen allot of that in the years I've been doing this.
The little companies are usually different for many reasons but many of the bigger ones are just smug and uninterested. Took me a long long long time to find my little nest of stable things that play well together.
The little companies are usually different for many reasons but many of the bigger ones are just smug and uninterested. Took me a long long long time to find my little nest of stable things that play well together.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Anyways, @bitwig: Kinda pricy so it would have to meet a good list of criteria to be on my radar in any serious way. Top of the list is super-efficient cpu multicore use. W/o that, the party is over.
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- KVRAF
- 13124 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
I'm definitely interested in Bitwig studio and I wouldn't say that I'm against an open beta. Open betas are useful, they just aren't terribly efficient for finding bugs.
Beta testing isn't a fun thing, it's work. I'm glad that there are people who are willing to do it.
As far as the price goes. I'm not surprised. Doesn't affect my interest. We'll see how people feel once they get their hands on the demo.
Beta testing isn't a fun thing, it's work. I'm glad that there are people who are willing to do it.
As far as the price goes. I'm not surprised. Doesn't affect my interest. We'll see how people feel once they get their hands on the demo.
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- KVRian
- 1329 posts since 25 Dec, 2005 from Devon, England
This pretty much echoes my sentiments.justin3am wrote:I'm definitely interested in Bitwig studio and I wouldn't say that I'm against an open beta. Open betas are useful, they just aren't terribly efficient for finding bugs.
Beta testing isn't a fun thing, it's work. I'm glad that there are people who are willing to do it.
As far as the price goes. I'm not surprised. Doesn't affect my interest. We'll see how people feel once they get their hands on the demo.
I'm wondering how Bitwig's included content compares against Ableton's (I'm a Live user btw). If Bitwig has a proper sampler and an interesting synth or two and mebbe some sample content included then that would certainly raise the bar imo.
"are we there yet?"
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- KVRAF
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
Sampletank
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- KVRist
- 460 posts since 28 Jan, 2003
Man! Those videos were cool. I don't fully understand what was taking place, but none-the-less cool!Mattiiiii wrote:Speaking of competition: The next version of FL Studio (Producer Edition is also $199 or so, comes with life time free updates) also appears to feature a "Performance Mode":
Cap'n Spanky
From the Planet Screwball
From the Planet Screwball
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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
Hibidy my good buddy and brother from another mother...hibidy wrote:Honestly, I can't believe people who are interested in a product are against a public beta. Unless of course they are part of the closed beta team and that "good ol' boy" club I'm speaking of.
The vast majority of software we buy isn't tested with an open / public beta program, so my comments were only to say "Obviously, it works OK in most cases?". Not sure why that's seen as being "against" it. It's more just saying that I kinda understand why most companies probably don't do it... because most probably don't think it's necessary.
Now go through all of the software you own and love (not just DAWs, all of your commercial software) and tell me how many of those products have an open public beta program. Now tell me how many are really, really buggy.
It's not a "right or wrong" thing. It's a "...that's just the way it is 99% of the time..." thing... so we kinda just accept it, and (I hope) just don't continue to pay for buggy applications.
Honestly, people really need to stop trying to apply the Reaper model to the entire world.
Every pro app can't and won't cost $60, won't have no copy protection at all, and won't publish beta builds to the general public every other day. That is simply not the norm and never will be.P.S. As relates to the new Bitwig thing, they'd be really, really dumb (imo) to give the crackers a big head start on cracking it before they actually start selling it, by letting everyone who wanted to use it, "test" it. So there's also that... for a brand new product. It would be on the torrents before they even started selling it.
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- KVRAF
- 2930 posts since 29 May, 2009 from New Zealand
The biggest problem I find usually with open betas is that the Devs never seem to have a proper system for reporting problems, almost never a way for beta testers to even see if the problem they're having has been noted, or is being attended too. That's the only criticism I have of open betas. Are they useless? No, they just need to be controlled and purpose driven (which many of them aren't... it's usually just a case of "download the beta and tell me if you find bugs"... which isn't all that direct).
If the reporting is managed, and there's clear and up to date communication with the beta team, the bugs can be captured and categorized semi-automatically, separating eh chaff from the wheat. This is usually more easily achieved in a closed beta I have found in practice.
If the reporting is managed, and there's clear and up to date communication with the beta team, the bugs can be captured and categorized semi-automatically, separating eh chaff from the wheat. This is usually more easily achieved in a closed beta I have found in practice.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I don't accept anything 
I can't win you guys over so you are obviously beta testers for bitwig. Good job ya 1%'ers!
I can't win you guys over so you are obviously beta testers for bitwig. Good job ya 1%'ers!
Classic!Hibidy my good buddy and brother from another mother
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Oh no, you too????GeorgeZ wrote:The biggest problem I find usually with open betas is that the Devs never seem to have a proper system for reporting problems, almost never a way for beta testers to even see if the problem they're having has been noted, or is being attended too. That's the only criticism I have of open betas. Are they useless? No, they just need to be controlled and purpose driven (which many of them aren't... it's usually just a case of "download the beta and tell me if you find bugs"... which isn't all that direct).
If the reporting is managed, and there's clear and up to date communication with the beta team, the bugs can be captured and categorized semi-automatically, separating eh chaff from the wheat. This is usually more easily achieved in a closed beta I have found in practice.
As a PAYING customer I do not agree. What usually happens is version "a" is released. Usually, it doesn't work. Then, version "a1" may be released quickly, or may be released a month or more from that time (you know, after all the really excellent beta testers and coders feel like it) Then.........well it's the same ol'.
I'm really surprised with this. It totally goes against the consumers pov imo.
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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
Hey, I'm a Bitwig reject too because I was not invited to the beta, if it's already started. I also applied to Steiny's Cubase beta program about 7 times over the past 15 years,:lol: no luck there either. I think I've been rejected about 99.99% of the time.
Maybe I griped too much over the years and they (Steiny) just said... "Nope, not that guy!".
because I was not invited to the beta, if it's already started. I also applied to Steiny's Cubase beta program about 7 times over the past 15 years,:lol: no luck there either. I think I've been rejected about 99.99% of the time. Maybe I griped too much over the years and they (Steiny) just said... "Nope, not that guy!".