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Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:42 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Mutant wrote:I know ! Maybe we should ask Madonna what the best synth is ! She is so famous and she made so many millions in this business, so she must be the best expert on everything music related in the world !
Madonna always had the best producers, but that doesn't mean that she knows anything of synths. She writes most of the lyrics, sings and performs, but the songwriting comes from other guys and gals...
You're not quite getting the humour here are you ... ?

LOL Maybe my laughing emoticon was too low in the post for him to notice

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:53 pm

Mutant wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Mutant wrote:I know ! Maybe we should ask Madonna what the best synth is ! She is so famous and she made so many millions in this business, so she must be the best expert on everything music related in the world !
Madonna always had the best producers, but that doesn't mean that she knows anything of synths. She writes most of the lyrics, sings and performs, but the songwriting comes from other guys and gals...
You're not quite getting the humour here are you ... ?
LOL Maybe my laughing emoticon was too low in the post for him to notice

Maybe he got the humor but he also wanted a serious discussion about the synth knowledge of Madonna...in comparison with the synth knowledge of Mr. Norman Cook...

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
Mutant wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Mutant wrote:I know ! Maybe we should ask Madonna what the best synth is ! She is so famous and she made so many millions in this business, so she must be the best expert on everything music related in the world !
Madonna always had the best producers, but that doesn't mean that she knows anything of synths. She writes most of the lyrics, sings and performs, but the songwriting comes from other guys and gals...
You're not quite getting the humour here are you ... ?
LOL Maybe my laughing emoticon was too low in the post for him to notice
Maybe he got the humor but he also wanted a serious discussion about the synth knowledge of Madonna...in comparison with the synth knowledge of Mr. Norman Cook...

Well then +1 to everything you said

xamido · Post by **xamido** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:13 pm

And there we have it, another OOT with madonna.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:28 pm

Mutant wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Mutant wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Mutant wrote:I know ! Maybe we should ask Madonna what the best synth is ! She is so famous and she made so many millions in this business, so she must be the best expert on everything music related in the world !
Madonna always had the best producers, but that doesn't mean that she knows anything of synths. She writes most of the lyrics, sings and performs, but the songwriting comes from other guys and gals...
You're not quite getting the humour here are you ... ?
LOL Maybe my laughing emoticon was too low in the post for him to notice
Maybe he got the humor but he also wanted a serious discussion about the synth knowledge of Madonna...in comparison with the synth knowledge of Mr. Norman Cook...
Well then +1 to everything you said

Seriously, it's interesting how much different every artist works. Some are making all (composing, arranging, singing, mixing etc.), some are just singing and performing on stage (while other producers give them the tunes), and others are songwriting and producing, but they're always in the background.

And Norman Cook does a bit of everything, except that I've never heard him singing...

Now we could talk about if Norman Cook would sing, would you use a softsynth or an analog hardware synth to drown it?

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:13 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:Norman Cook does a bit of everything, except that I've never heard him singing...

Now we could talk about if Norman Cook would sing, would you use a softsynth or an analog hardware synth to drown it?

He used to sing in The Housemartins back in the 80's ... had a few number one hits.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:41 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:Norman Cook does a bit of everything, except that I've never heard him singing...

Now we could talk about if Norman Cook would sing, would you use a softsynth or an analog hardware synth to drown it?
He used to sing in The Housemartins back in the 80's ... had a few number one hits.

Really, he had sung? I thought that Paul Heaton was the vocalist of The Housemartins and Norman Cook was the bass guitar player?

I can't see any video because of the German GEMA locking all of them due to German copyright issues... (better said, because Youtube pays not so much fees to the GEMA as they want to have)

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:50 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
Really, he had sung? I thought that Paul Heaton was the vocalist of The Housemartins and Norman Cook was the bass guitar player?

I think so ... the band did a lot of acapellas.

The a cappella style of "Caravan of Love" was not to the taste of all Housemartins' fans, although a cappella material had always been part of the band's repertoire. "Caravan of Love" was first performed by the band in their second Peel session in April 1986, prior to their initial chart success. At Peel's suggestion, the band then recorded another session (under the name The Fish City Five), consisting entirely of a cappella performances, and on at least one occasion (at The Tower nightclub in Hull, the same concert at which they were filmed as the Housemartins for the BBC programme Rock Around the Clock) played support act for their own performance under this alternative name. The "Caravan of Love" single featured four a cappella gospel songs on the B-side.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:15 am

zerocrossing wrote:
dalor wrote:Yeah that was the OLD Bob Moog who sold his name to Arturia. The YOUNG Bob Moog, if he was born in our computer era, would have developed synths himself, hardware or software. Most likely some lead developer somewhere..
I saw him give a talk once and during the Q&A part someone asked if Big Briar was going to do a MIDI theremin. (it was that long ago) and he went off on a rant about how samples where horrible, canned and lacking all the nuance and beauty of an analog theremin. He totally went into "old man mad at kids on his lawn" mode. I think he felt angry and threatened by digital technology at the time. When someone waved money under his nose, he probably took another look at it. (there was a MIDI theremin later)

I'd say he was already too old to understand the full potential of new technologies when he gave this interview. If he would have been younger, he could have seen it as a challenge to write algorithms/dsp code to breathe life into digital technology. 20 years ago I would have said exactly the same.

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:57 am

probably he just hasn't tried the new sosftsynths with 0 delay feedback filters.
i bet he would change his mind instantly.
i hated softsynths even more than him for 10 years ...but as soon as the first beta of Diva was released i knew finally the filters had been nailed...or at least close enough not to matter much.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:02 am

Mutant wrote:LOL Maybe my laughing emoticon was too low in the post for him to notice

So that's what "low comedy" means. I'd always wondered.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:05 am

You need to make it more clear next time, try this one:

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:11 am

The goggles, they do nothing -- wait, they work fine. Ahh! Better.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:26 am

Still, no one will listen to that example I posted and swear they feel that Diva sounds as good as the Slim Phatty. Not one.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:46 am

Everything has its pluses and minuses, and now in the newest generation softsynths sound just about the same as hardware to the point that few would notice any difference in the context of an actual song. And big plus for softsynths is they can fit on a thumb drive. Try that with a 'Slim' Phatty!

But big considerations for me as a hobbyist are space and expense, so for Fatboy Slim or other pros who have fully stocked studios obviously their options are different. I think it comes down to the fact that what is good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander, there is no 'right answer' or winning side in this topic. It depends on context for the particular individuals.

Fatboy Slim thoughts about software synths