KVR Audio

Romantique Tp · Post by **Romantique Tp** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:59 pm

It sounds like your main problem with Cubase is that it's not exactly like Studio One.

I can't give you a detailed reply at the moment but there are faster ways to do everything you mentioned. A lot of this "clunkiness" goes away with experience. I don't think Cubase is hard to learn but it definitely doesn't try to hold your hand at all.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:19 pm

Romantique Tp wrote:It sounds like your main problem with Cubase is that it's not exactly like Studio One.

I can't give you a detailed reply at the moment but there are faster ways to do everything you mentioned. A lot of this "clunkiness" goes away with experience. I don't think Cubase is hard to learn but it definitely doesn't try to hold your hand at all.

If you do happen to get a few minutes at some point to highlight some faster ways, or even just post a link to a video or something, I'd certainly appreciate it. DAW's are large complex beasts and I'm still just a few days into trying to learn Cubase. I have no doubt it will be a never ending process and I'll always be learning something. For now, I'm just taking it slow and trying to learn one aspect of the DAW at a time by watching YouTube videos (Steinberg has some decent ones too - kudos to them), trying to figure stuff out on my own, googling, forum posts, etc.

And you're right, Cubase definitely doesn't do much hand-holding (for better or worse) whereas Studio One does quite a bit (for better or worse). I wouldn't describe my problem with Cubase that it's not Studio One, I'd instead say that even after watching some videos on how to do something, I still find myself having to spend more time (and mosue clicks) to do things in Cubase.I'm sure at least some of that is my absolute newb-ness, and some of it is just how certain features were designed to work. For instance, I started by watching a few videos to learn the process and mapping a hardware control surface has been much more time-consuming in Cubase.

I'm not knocking Cubase at all or saying one is better than the other. Both DAW's are different and have different strengths, and I think both could also benefit in learning/borrowing from each other's strengths. No DAW is perfect or ever will be and Cubase is certainly the more mature of the two. I'll tell you this: if I could go back in time to the year 2000, I'd have started with Cubase instead of Sonar. Had I done that, I probably would not have gone with S1 at all.

NNevez · Post by **NNevez** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:03 pm

I just installed Cubase 9.5 and i got some plugins blacklisted.
Anyone knows what is going on here?

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:07 pm

look and see if these are legacy version of the plugs you have lying around. The 32 bit ones won't work for sure. iZotope has updates to most plugins that work properly. If you have both installed, you should still see a good version in the accepted/main lists. 2cAudio .. you must be WAAAy behind updates as it scans fine here. Can't speak to the others.

NNevez · Post by **NNevez** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:43 pm

Ok, i just checked and the Valhallas, Gatekeeper and Half time are in the VST Effects. I will check for updates on 2C Audio.

But Reaktor and iZotope are not. Reaktor 5 is in the VST Instruments but not Reaktor 6 and i am using the latest version from Native Access. How can Reaktor 6 be blacklisted?
iZotope RX 5 is blacklisted with both VST2 and VST3.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:53 pm

Don't know what to tell you .. Reaktor is fine here. You can force it to be used by the way. Just right click. Izotope are known to cause problems. But, I was able to get versions of Iris and the voice plugin that scanned ok, even though it always installs a dll that gets blacklisted.

NNevez · Post by **NNevez** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:00 pm

Thanks! Appreciate taking your time to answer, i will contact support.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:07 pm

NNevez wrote:Ok, i just checked and the Valhallas, Gatekeeper and Half time are in the VST Effects. I will check for updates on 2C Audio.

But Reaktor and iZotope are not. Reaktor 5 is in the VST Instruments but not Reaktor 6 and i am using the latest version from Native Access. How can Reaktor 6 be blacklisted?
iZotope RX 5 is blacklisted with both VST2 and VST3.

by the way, did you happen to click a button that was telling you a certain plugin was taking a long time to scan?

NNevez · Post by **NNevez** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:16 pm

No i did not do that. I let it take it´s time to do the scanning.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:18 pm

NNevez wrote:No i did not do that. I let it take it´s time to do the scanning.

ok, I've seen reaktor and kontakt reports of blacklisting, but its always due to pressing the button ... which is an auto blacklist.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:37 pm

NNevez wrote:I just installed Cubase 9.5 and i got some plugins blacklisted.
Anyone knows what is going on here?

Which version of OS X are you on? The Izotope stuff gets blacklisted on El Cap because of a long-standing bug in OS X that Steinberg decided makes Cubase unstable. The bug got killed in Sierra so the Izotope plugins scan OK.

Also, the VST3 versions may be fine.

NNevez · Post by **NNevez** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:44 pm

Yes, am on El Capitan. And there is a problem with that, i just read that at a Steinberg Support page.
Quoting:
"On Mac computers, one might also observe that some plug-ins that end up on the blacklist appear to have worked perfectly fine in previous Cubase versions.
The reason is that our developers found a problem in OS X 10.11 (El Capitan) and previous versions which cause plug-ins compiled with an older Objective C Runtime version to become unstable."

I did not want to update for now, i don´t have Sierra to install and High Sierra is most likely still unstable.
Damn!

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:46 pm

Again, you can enable those plugs and use at your own risk. They won't work any better/worse than they used to.

EDIT: But now you have a list of the most likely culprits for crashes and lockups.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:09 am

as to mouse clicks, almost everything can have a key command assigned to it; and a multi-function can have a macro command.

kb420 · Post by **kb420** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:14 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:I'll tell you this: if I could go back in time to the year 2000, I'd have started with Cubase instead of Sonar. Had I done that, I probably would not have gone with S1 at all.

I first started using Sonar back in 2004. I had a scaled down version of Cubase that came with either my Motif Es or a soundcard I bought, and I NEVER experimented with it at all. I never gave Cubase a chance because of the dongle. Now, I haven't used Sonar in years. I was using Ableton Live for everything, but there are times when I wanted a more traditional DAW because I've never been a fan of Live's Arrangement window. I also have a current version of Studio One which is also a capable DAW. Two years ago I bought a Motif XF, and once again I had a scaled down version of Cubase. I got an offer to upgrade it to the full version 8 at a discount, and I did. That's when I started experimenting with it, and I'm glad I did. There are some things that Cubase does with ease that just seem cumbersome in Sonar, and version 9 and 9.5 have made it that much better. I wish I would have tried using Cubase way back then too. I would have saved myself some money.

Cubase 9.5 launch today!