HALion 7

[skijumptoes]

I like the sound of the FM engine a lot (one of the main reasons I went in) but editing is a nightmare- it really is like they copied a 6 inch hardware screen of a MODX and you have to tab through every page! Someone should tell them you are allowed a bigger editing window

Interface is an old dog for sure, But don't overlook that with HALion you can split and load up the same zone with different views, i.e. 4 Op view:

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Just use those little pointy arrow things at the top right of each area to select what you want, divide, and to close others that aren't needed. Save them as a preset etc.

[SLiC]

Great tip thanks- those little pointy arrow things are hard to see in 4K!

[Kypresso]

Also a lot of cool stuff works in 'Cubase Only' which is pretty unique to HALion.

Could you give some more info about which things only work in cubase?

I I got absolute to use in reaper and i'm gonna be a bit pissed if i can't use all of what i paid for there.

[Weasel-Boy]

I guess more modern synths just do things differently. Also a lot of cool stuff works in 'Cubase Only' which is pretty unique to HALion.

I can see how HALion may be attractive to Cubase users as it has some integration…

Like Kypresso's post above, I too am curious as to exactly what "Cubase Only" integration exists between HALion 7 and Cubase. Since it is an agnostic plug-in (and stand-alone) that works on both the PC and Mac platforms in just about any host DAW, what are the advantages of running it in Cubase?

[fmr]

I guess more modern synths just do things differently. Also a lot of cool stuff works in 'Cubase Only' which is pretty unique to HALion.

I can see how HALion may be attractive to Cubase users as it has some integration…

Like Kypresso's post above, I too am curious as to exactly what "Cubase Only" integration exists between HALion 7 and Cubase. Since it is an agnostic plug-in (and stand-alone) that works on both the PC and Mac platforms in just about any host DAW, what are the advantages of running it in Cubase?

I think he means the "Note Expression", which is a technology exclusive to Cubase. But, to be fair, I never missed that in HALion. Nor do I miss the MPE. I guess it depends on what you do and how.

[Touch The Universe]

Sweet, looks like an excellent upgrade.

To celebrate, I've discounted my Halion bundle - 4 banks for $37.

Just need to sell three and I'll pick up the Upgrade

https://www.touch-the-universe.com/hali ... -main.html

Does the demo mode allow saving presets with no limitations? I'd love to get started asap.

Cheers

[Weasel-Boy]

I think he means the "Note Expression", which is a technology exclusive to Cubase. But, to be fair, I never missed that in HALion. Nor do I miss the MPE. I guess it depends on what you do and how.

Note Expression isn't mutually exclusive to HALion, is it? I thought that was supposed to work with other stuff, like Kontakt and such.

[fmr]

I think he means the "Note Expression", which is a technology exclusive to Cubase. But, to be fair, I never missed that in HALion. Nor do I miss the MPE. I guess it depends on what you do and how.

Note Expression isn't mutually exclusive to HALion, is it? I thought that was supposed to work with other stuff, like Kontakt and such.

If I'm not mistaken both the instrument AND the host have to support the technology. AFAIK, the only hosts that supports Note Expression are Cubase/Nuendo.

[Boy Wonder]

Also a lot of cool stuff works in 'Cubase Only' which is pretty unique to HALion.

Could you give some more info about which things only work in cubase?

I I got absolute to use in reaper and i'm gonna be a bit pissed if i can't use all of what i paid for there.

Triebwerk in Halion, for instance, has no LFO or MSEG. If you right click on a dial, you have the option to assign any of the Quick Controls in Cubase to it.

Also, if you right click and assign automation to a knob, you can tell it to show its automation track in Cubase, although this might also work in other DAWs.

[skijumptoes]

Could you give some more info about which things only work in cubase?

You've kinda got it the wrong way round, Cubase is what gains with HALion, HALion is the same in whatever DAW you use.

Cubase has VST Note expression, which was designed to be a universal extension to VST Standard, but third parties never really supported. I don't think many people really use it to be honest.

Also, the media bay is integrated into Cubase meaning that you can search HALion patches alongside patches for Retrologue, Groove Agent, Padshop etc. However H7 has a new media bay system that SB Are working on.

It also automatically creates mixer channels seamlessly when you create new outputs in HALion - names them etc., which is probably my favourite part of it. That said, it's only a few clicks in Reaper to add anyway.

The other integration is if you drag a sample into Cubase sampler track (This is the basic sampler instrument), you can convert transfer to HALion at any point if you wanted to go deeper, and it creates a new HALion instance and things like slices are carried across etc.

Top of my head that's the main integrations.

[SLiC]

I guess more modern synths just do things differently. Also a lot of cool stuff works in 'Cubase Only' which is pretty unique to HALion.

I can see how HALion may be attractive to Cubase users as it has some integration…

Like Kypresso's post above, I too am curious as to exactly what "Cubase Only" integration exists between HALion 7 and Cubase. Since it is an agnostic plug-in (and stand-alone) that works on both the PC and Mac platforms in just about any host DAW, what are the advantages of running it in Cubase?

I think he means the "Note Expression", which is a technology exclusive to Cubase. But, to be fair, I never missed that in HALion. Nor do I miss the MPE. I guess it depends on what you do and how.

Yes, note expression and media bay integration were what I was aware of but the post above identified a few I didn’t know! I don’t miss what I never had, but personally I am a big MPE user so that is a loss to me, but as I said in an earlier post, Steinberg have confirmed it is being worked on so…

[Weasel-Boy]

It also automatically creates mixer channels seamlessly when you create new outputs in HALion - names them etc., which is probably my favourite part of it. That said, it's only a few clicks in Reaper to add anyway.

The other integration is if you drag a sample into Cubase sampler track (This is the basic sampler instrument), you can convert transfer to HALion at any point if you wanted to go deeper, and it creates a new HALion instance and things like slices are carried across etc.

Top of my head that's the main integrations.

Ah....you're correct. Thanks for the clarification.

[mothra]

The other integration is if you drag a sample into Cubase sampler track (This is the basic sampler instrument), you can convert transfer to HALion at any point if you wanted to go deeper, and it creates a new HALion instance and things like slices are carried across etc.

Haven't done it in Halion yet (just bought it last night), but you gotta watch doing that with sliced samples depending on how you work.. When Sampler Track sends a sliced drum loop, for example to Groove Agent, it literally slices the sample for you and maps it out just like an MPC would, its pretty handy..

But if you like to keep the drum loop as a single sample and map out your pads/slices (big fan of using "Pad Parameters" for this on my MPC), leave it unsliced, then send it to GA (or Halion) and do the slicing in there, otherwise you get a bunched of chopped up samples. If you need to go back and edit any of the chops, it's back to the original file all over again.

[aMUSEd]

I still seem to have a license for the Dark Planet expansion on my elicenser - is this still working in Halion 7 and can I transfer it to Steinberg licensing?

[aMUSEd]

Also how do you edit a macro? Would it be possible for me to change the graphics in existing Macros based instruments like Trium to make them larger? (since Steinberg couldn't be bothered to)