Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I would guess, once installed, NA and the plugins, NI has no leverage to change something there vs. the behaving on our end, as long we don´t update anything, and ideally do NOT connect to the iNet.

You can connect to the internet all you want.

It is not possible for NA to do anything on it's own (connected or otherwise) automatically or in the backaground if you never ever launch it again once everything is updated.

And I need to test this - but it also appears that once everything is groovy install-wise - you can uninstall NA too and carry on.

The only thing you can't do after removing NA is ever change anything on the machine - hardware wise. This would alter your unique ID generated by NA and most likely nuliify all your existing authorizations.

So no big hard drive swaps, motherboard upgrades or CPU shopping etc Again - I have no knowledge of what NI uses to generate these IDs but hardware is a good bet since the IDs are unique to every component.

VP

[surreal]

Fwiw, if they really shut down their servers one day, that'd be a fantastic justification for using cracks instead of official software. People already did that when Service Center was abandoned.
Another pretty bad side effect of all this.

Recently I was able to get my legal copy of Battery 3 to work without jumping though hoops.

How did you manage that?

Actually it was before I installed windows 11, but I used this article:

https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... 1627127754

But if Native Access stops working, then it’s over.

cool, thanks

[billinder33]

Step 1: Have PE firm
Step 2: Buy business with debt, assign that debt to the acquired business, not your PE firm
Step 3: Charge the acquired business massive 'Management Fees'
Step 4: Fire people, slash costs, innovation, and R&D to the bone, ride this as long as you can
Step 5: When business starts going under, part out all the assets, look for another buyer, or file for bankruptcy
Step 6: Move on to your next victim

Shocking not shocking that this is all totally legal in the failing USA empire.

Only problem with your hypothesis is that it's happening in Germany not America

Shocking not Shocking you are using the situation with Native Instruments that is happening in the GERMAN Legal system, under GERMAN law to blame America

The number of insolvent companies in Germany reached its highest level in more than ten years in 2025. During the year, 23,900 companies filed for insolvency – an increase of 8.3 percent compared to the previous year

The German economy is in shambles. Gross domestic product in Germany (GDP), which is the sum of all economic output, grew by a measly 0.2% in 2025, after being negative in 2023 and 2024. That is significantly behind the average for countries in the EU

This is a German problem not an American one, and being handled by the German Legal System. So the legality of the situation can't be blamed on the American system

Plugin Alliance which is an American company, established as Plugin Alliance LLC, with it's headquarters in Jupiter, Florida. Isn't part of the insolvency, according to the reports. Just the German company, which is subject to German Law

Shocking not shocking that you reply like a condescending jaggoff, but that's your modus operandi here, so not at all unexpected.

The person I responded to wanted to know how these schemes generally work, and explaining it was the entire point of my post. I live in the US and am not an expert in German law or the laws of every other EU country. But you got your internet win with extra snooty snoot added, so congrats to you!!!!

Just for you, my special little child, I edited my upstream post to extra clarify that NI is a German company and that the US didn't cause NI's issue (not that it was even the point of my post anyhow), but actually Germany's fault for cucking themselves to America's economic framework. I'd ask if that makes you happy, but you come off as a pretty miserable person regardless. Enjoy!!!!

[billinder33]

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Interesting that Deadmouse is (or was) a fan of Traktor. I'm not sure NI could even attempt to climb the moat that Pioneer has built for themselves at the high end, Virtual DJ at the low end, and Serato in the middle.

If I'm NI or whatever remains of it, I'd be looking at opportunities elsewhere. Opportunities that don't involve hardware.

[Scoops]

It is not possible for NA to do anything on it's own (connected or otherwise) automatically or in the backaground if you never ever launch it again once everything is updated.

VP

Not sure where you got this from, but for the people who have had things disappear from NA, and many that have reported some/most/all items go into demo mode, and it's not NA?

So then I think it gets back to the NTKDaemon. If you don't turn it off, what is it doing? Why does it have to be on? This has been a question put to NI a myriad of times, and no real answer other than it make the startup of NA faster.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Not sure where you got this from, but for the people who have had things disappear from NA, and many that have reported some/most/all items go into demo mode, and it's not NA?

Been using this thing daily (both v1 and v2) for over a decade now. If you do not open it - it cannot make anything disappear, change, go demo or anything by itself.

In every situation I have ever investigated on behalf of other users - it is always found out that the user opened NA and started clicking around on something. OR my favorite - moved something without telling NA and that's where the troubleshooting really gets fun.

Bottom line - NA is no more "active" than Notepad at any given moment - if you ignore it completely. But open it and start clicking around - like all those who think Update All is a good thing - that is where most (if not all) these stories come from.

So then I think it gets back to the NTKDaemon. If you don't turn it off, what is it doing? Why does it have to be on? This has been a question put to NI a myriad of times, and no real answer other than it make the startup of NA faster.

You won't get direct answer on the daemon but this is good article to check out

https://community.native-instruments.co ... -access/p1

Specifically this piece:

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VP

[Funky40]

The only thing you can't do after removing NA is ever change anything on the machine - hardware wise. This would alter your unique ID generated by NA and most likely nuliify all your existing authorizations.

Thanks @Vocalpoint Studios !

Yeah, that part is clear. I run apple silicon macs. You can´t switch there anything HW anyway.

[Zombie Queen]

NI discontinued products including Absynth, FM7, and older versions of Reaktor and Traktor, rendering them unable to be re-activated.

As well as older versions of Kontakt, as I recently discovered. Booted my legacy system to access some old project and dang... Service Center doesn't work and Native Access won't install on XP. I wasn't happy.

[Zombie Queen]

Don't know about old Cakewalk accounts ,.. if ALL old stuff can still be activated ,.. after Gibson killed them

Yup, it can. I activated some of my ancient Cakewalk stuff recently. All worked, even installer downloads. You just go to legacy.cakewalk.com

[DrGonzo]

I would be happy to see parts of NI being sold off to different developers. Maschine always had an excellent foundation, Kontakt is Kontakt and Reaktor should and could still be a flagship. Maybe give them new homes?

[VitaminD]

I would be happy to see parts of NI being sold off to different developers. Maschine always had an excellent foundation, Kontakt is Kontakt and Reaktor should and could still be a flagship. Maybe give them new homes?

I do wonder, if parts were sold off, if competitors wouldn't buy the products that competed with them simply to bury them? Less competition in the market.

I just hope it doesn't go the way of FXpansion software after ROLI bought them. It exists but it doesn't. Zombified state, likely in a holding state while looking for a higher dollar buyer.

[DrGonzo]

I would be happy to see parts of NI being sold off to different developers. Maschine always had an excellent foundation, Kontakt is Kontakt and Reaktor should and could still be a flagship. Maybe give them new homes?

I do wonder, if parts were sold off, if competitors wouldn't buy the products that competed with them simply to bury them? Less competition in the market.

I just hope it doesn't go the way of FXpansion software after ROLI bought them. It exists but it doesn't. Zombified state, likely in a holding state while looking for a higher dollar buyer.

Yeah you are right. That's most likely to happen.

[Alchemedia]

ok this came out of nowhere for me. looking forward for more news. i thought NI is a bit better on track after Absynth 6 and some hints from EvilDragon. let's see.... if all goes downhill they shall put out offline installers asap.

In retrospect, resurrecting Absinthe was clearly an easy, last ditch money grab. I hope Brian was compensated well.

[BONES]

Everyone seems to forget that plenty of companies file for bankruptcy in order to survive, and that most come out the other side. Roli is a good example. It's a bump in the road, not the end of the world.

[Sindikhate]

Has anyone else noticed that there are no Serial numbers next to their products on this page anymore?
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/m ... downloads/

Is this a recent thing? I have products that I have not activated but there is no serial next to them anymore. Also no serials on other products further down the long list of products that I have already registered.

On the drop down menu on the top right I think it used to say My Products and Serials and now it says only My Products.