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eassae wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 11:06 pm
TheMaestro wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 9:21 pm Requiring the critics background actually introduces more bias, tempting the creator to dismiss the feedback or to take it as the ultimate gospel.
I didn't say a critic's background was necessary. I'm saying that it would be good, on a music forum, to be able to hear the music of a person who is commenting, criticizing, whatever…another person's work. If you're a total muppet that can't string two notes together, the receiver of criticism may say, "maybe that's not really for me." If you're the best musician in the world, then the person may say, "this is valuable information and I can use it to improve." Obviously this never going to be completely objective, as there's a reciprocal value judgement taking place here, but it's better than, "that's not good" from someone anonymous. That kind of thing is just lazy. Maybe I'm expecting to much because it's a music forum, but…

Anyway, it's usually the person with a reasonable degree of talent that will give more than a off-hand dismissal, they either won't say anything or give some useful advice or critique.
"I didn't say a critic's background was necessary."
Uh, yes you did. And you did it again.
And I don't have to detail anything. I called it stale, in a debate about AI music.
You can detail all you want to make a point of why it's not stale, and I don't need to have heard your music to assess that.
There are two kinds of people in the world. And you're not one of them.

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Hipster Bales wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 11:09 pm Exactly, eassae makes a good point on the feedback part.

I recently gave some feedback on a track that I can clearly tell is AI-generated, but I didn't say "it's dogshit just cause it's AI", I gave proper feedback.

Here's the thread I'm talking about: viewtopic.php?p=9273106#p9273106
But proper feedback from you is meaningless based on the music you present yourself.
Get it now?
There are two kinds of people in the world. And you're not one of them.

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TheMaestro wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 1:54 am
Hipster Bales wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 11:09 pm Exactly, eassae makes a good point on the feedback part.

I recently gave some feedback on a track that I can clearly tell is AI-generated, but I didn't say "it's dogshit just cause it's AI", I gave proper feedback.

Here's the thread I'm talking about: viewtopic.php?p=9273106#p9273106
But proper feedback from you is meaningless based on the music you present yourself.
Get it now?
And how is it meaningless? Just cause I make music that you don't exactly enjoy or care about doesn't mean I can't give technical feedback or mixing tips. Remember that everyone has different tastes, don't call their feedback meaningless because it doesn't add up to yours.

Also, ad hominem isn't exactly clever, it just makes you look like a tosser and a clown, and it doesn't add anything meaningful to the table.

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TheMaestro wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 1:52 am "I didn't say a critic's background was necessary."
Uh, yes you did. And you did it again.
Is english not your first language?
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When the data is corrupt in the Desert of the Real, Beyond the Last Thought, where intuition reigns, is the solace that will embolden and strengthen the soul, giving hope once more to this age of failing technique. eassae.com

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eassae wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:35 am
TheMaestro wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 1:52 am "I didn't say a critic's background was necessary."
Uh, yes you did. And you did it again.
Is english not your first language?
It appears their first language is Bullsh*t - I almost miss Bones, at least he was occasionally funny.
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ThoughtExperiment wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 12:27 pm
eassae wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:35 am
TheMaestro wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 1:52 am "I didn't say a critic's background was necessary."
Uh, yes you did. And you did it again.
Is english not your first language?
It appears their first language is Bullsh*t - I almost miss Bones, at least he was occasionally funny.
Yea I do as well, even though I wasn't on good terms with the guy.

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eassae wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 10:35 am
TheMaestro wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 1:52 am "I didn't say a critic's background was necessary."
Uh, yes you did. And you did it again.
Is english not your first language?
Cool pivot.
There are two kinds of people in the world. And you're not one of them.

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Hipster Bales wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 2:10 am
TheMaestro wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 1:54 am
Hipster Bales wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 11:09 pm Exactly, eassae makes a good point on the feedback part.

I recently gave some feedback on a track that I can clearly tell is AI-generated, but I didn't say "it's dogshit just cause it's AI", I gave proper feedback.

Here's the thread I'm talking about: viewtopic.php?p=9273106#p9273106
But proper feedback from you is meaningless based on the music you present yourself.
Get it now?
And how is it meaningless? Just cause I make music that you don't exactly enjoy or care about doesn't mean I can't give technical feedback or mixing tips. Remember that everyone has different tastes, don't call their feedback meaningless because it doesn't add up to yours.

Also, ad hominem isn't exactly clever, it just makes you look like a tosser and a clown, and it doesn't add anything meaningful to the table.
Your boyfriend disagrees with you.
There are two kinds of people in the world. And you're not one of them.

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Are you actually a 5-year-old?

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TheMaestro wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 1:59 pm Your boyfriend disagrees with you.
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Don't mind Tom Hardy, he has proven to be an ugly troll multiple times.
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starflakeprj wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2026 3:25 pm Don't mind Tom Hardy, he has proven to be an ugly troll multiple times.
I've not heard any tracks from the guy. For all we know his mixes could be way too over-compressed and muddy or his composition could be incredibly boring. At least I had the balls to share my tracks.

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morelia wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 10:34 pm So, you want a trumpet track for your song. You organise for someone to come in and add the track. They turn up with Suno and a laptop. How do you feel?
Pretty damn good with the alcohol and weed.

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Hipster Bales wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 10:37 pm
morelia wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 10:34 pm So, you want a trumpet track for your song. You organise for someone to come in and add the track. They turn up with Suno and a laptop. How do you feel?
"get the f**k out of my house with your shit"

No I'm kidding, I'd politely ask them to leave.
Why? Are you a trumpet player? And not only that, but one of the best trumpet players out there? If not, then how can you judge? That's the whole point of what TheMaestro wrote about.

Let me add another analogy. Imagine you break your leg because you fell from your bike. The ambulance carries you to the next hospital. The doctor looks at you and decides to have your healthy arm amputated while ignoring your broken leg. You complain to the doctor and he just replies with "Are you a doctor?" and continues preparing for the amputation.

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