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Shamanix · Post by **Shamanix** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:35 pm

Can you give me a link to MIDI OX or some other QWERTY-2-MIDI solution, i want to test this myself

valley · Post by **valley** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:41 pm

My plug can be found athttp://www.adbe.org/freebies/plugins/mkey.html

You might also want to try doing a search for Trollo, which a lot of people like.

RChler · Post by **RChler** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:48 pm

Hi Folks

Is there really no MIDI-Response from external keyboard controllers included in Tracktion ???
what about a "capture last played" function ??

valley · Post by **valley** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:41 pm

RChler wrote:Hi Folks

Is there really no MIDI-Response from external keyboard controllers included in Tracktion ???

eh?

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:16 pm

Well... I *guess* this is marketing genius.

But all I've discovered is I don't want to learn the bizarre nonstandard interface. Too much work and not enough flow

I appreciate FLStudio all the more

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:19 pm

foosnark wrote:Well... I *guess* this is marketing genius.

But all I've discovered is I don't want to learn the bizarre nonstandard interface. Too much work and not enough flow

I appreciate FLStudio all the more

so FLstudio has a standard interface?

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:34 pm

jens wrote:
foosnark wrote:Well... I *guess* this is marketing genius.

But all I've discovered is I don't want to learn the bizarre nonstandard interface. Too much work and not enough flow

I appreciate FLStudio all the more
so FLstudio has a standard interface?

yep, depending on what your standard is

k

869 · Post by **869** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:39 pm

Hi all, well I don't know why they are so proud of a easy learing curve? Really I think that's crap as that's exactly why I learn "coz it's hard" ! It keeps me going so what shall I do with an app that's easy to understand and doesn't provide all I need, coz I need it all and more, and I don't think tracktion is the answer after years of logic, cubase...

Well all in all I think it's sure good for some of us to have an easy way to understand sequencing, but meantime I think the real thing weather it's cubase, nuendo, logic and co. simply is invented yet.

Except for Live4 I'd like to know what's hard about Live and I can't think of a more beautiful and easy to learn sequencer on the market than Live and it's sure worthed the money I don't know for tracktion (price quality) wise but I think it's only as good as 80$ or what do you guys think, is tracktion better than Live4 or as good? I don't think so!

Being honest even ableton live still has some way ahead before it can cope with all the midioptions of a cubase, nuendo, logic or pro tools not to forget FLStudio5 but that's another story again, I think Live4 is a very good and beautyful "easy" sequencer on the market.

Cheers, somuch to my tracktion opinion, if that interests one anyway!

valley · Post by **valley** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:44 pm

869 wrote:what do you guys think, is tracktion better than Live4 or as good? I don't think so!

Personally, I think that if you are trying to compare Tracktion and Live, you've clearly missed the point of both apps.

869 · Post by **869** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:52 pm

No I don't wanna compare the apps details just wanna compare sequencing all in all not that I don't know of abletons timestretching(warpengine) stuff and so on I think that's going tomuch into the details, just the interface and overall abilities of the apps and you don't wanna tell me that we are not talking about sequencers here after all, I ain't criticising the price either not at all as I know alot of free apps that I would prefer to the priced ones, because I said worthed 80$ "don't lay all my word on the balance, please!" like I said the over abilities.

better as live probably not but as good should be a fair question I think!

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:53 pm

foosnark wrote:Well... I *guess* this is marketing genius.

But all I've discovered is I don't want to learn the bizarre nonstandard interface. Too much work and not enough flow

I appreciate FLStudio all the more

Of course Tracktion is going to be 'non-standard' to you until you bother to learn it!

Not enough work, no learning.

valley · Post by **valley** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:00 pm

Live is, unsurprisingly, designed with live performance very much in mind.

Tracktion is designed for audio tracking/recording, and live improvisation is not at all what it is about.

Two do different applications to do two different things, which is why some people use both together.

Tracktion is better placed to be a competitor to Acid than to Live.

haydxn · Post by **haydxn** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:06 pm

i've used logic for a few years and used cubase and whatever, and i don't think that tracktion is just a 'simplified' program. i don't view its ease of use and intuitive design as a dumbed down, easy-to-learn-for-those-who-don't-need-the-pro-stuff interface.

i use tracktion now over all other sequencers because it just makes complete sense. whilst there are times when it may be necessary to use other tools, for me i simply cannot see the reason to use some clunky, hardware modelled setup.

tracktion for me is simply a better, more efficient way of working, and the way it operates just makes perfect sense for a change, rather than thinking about 'how a mixer would be set up', and the ins and outs of various hidden ports/parameters/routings etc..

it goes in there, it runs along there, thru there, and it all pops out by here.

it's not an easy way to understand sequencing; it's just a different and intuitive way of getting things done that, as it proves, don't need to be as complicated as they're made elsewhere.

869 · Post by **869** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:39 pm

haydxn wrote:it's not an easy way to understand sequencing; it's just a different and intuitive way of getting things done that, as it proves, don't need to be as complicated as they're made elsewhere.

Not complicated, I would say different and I think that there are allready to many differencies between apps aswell as between hardware out there.
I think on that side the creators should work more together, but again I don't have troubble using all off them and I think it's great to be able to use all off them as one off us can allways run into a situation where there is just protools or anything else offerd to sequence the stuff than our favorite app or not?! (Wow, and I still haven't tried DP and some other Apple stuff yet!!! So don't think I know them all "noway" but the other ones stated are in my head by now!)

And they are saying bye bye learing curve over at the website of tracktion, not you so that's the point as I think that a hard learning curve is very good, again a too hard one can be depressing, but none of the sequencers out there are too hard to learn I find, it's definately logic and protools at the peak of hardness to understand but even then once you get it you are happy to have it, sure and if you don't get it you're probably trying the wrong app and then tracktion is probably a good choice.

I never really tried it so thanks for the explaination of what we are dealing with, I can say almost the same for abletons live4 but again this is no comparison, have you ever tried live4 yet? I'm just talking about Live4(upward) not 3,2 nor 1.

Well I've said all I wanted to, again don't lay all my words on the ballance.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:07 pm

869 wrote:And they are saying bye bye learing curve over at the website of tracktion, not you so that's the point as I think that a hard learning curve is very good, again a too hard one can be depressing, but none of the sequencers out there are too hard to learn I find, it's definately logic and protools at the peak of hardness to understand but even then once you get it you are happy to have it, sure and if you don't get it you're probably trying the wrong app and then tracktion is probably a good choice.

Understandably, the minimal learning curve IS a selling point of Tracktion, hence the sales pitch. It wouldn't make sense to say "Tracktion... we allow you to record audio and MIDI!" since all sequencers do that. In marketing, you advertise to what's a strength or what sets a product apart. Tracktion's learning curve IS a big part (though not all!) of what sets it apart.

To be honest with you, I don't relate to the opinion that a bit of difficulty in learning is a good thing. Sure, there should be 'challenges' with any endeavour to make it worthwhile, but learning how to use a tool is a means to an end (the end being, making music!) rather than an end to itself. It's not enough to say, "I've finally mastered product X!" if you're not using product X.

To me, there are sufficient challenges to be had in order to satisfy that need to go more 'in depth' and to push yourself (using the "Royal You" and not you in particular, 869!). Learn to score your music in notation. Learn how to use the different keys and modes to your advantage. Figure out music from other cultures that use microtonic tunings. Learn how to get the most out of one of your more complex softsynths. Mastering your instrument or improving your voice (if you do your own vocals) is certainly a more productive and challenging goal than understanding how to "use sends in Sequencer X".

In summary-- while I understand and respect your general desire to learn and to be challenged, I don't relate to focusing it on the sequencer software. I'd rather keep the end in mind (making music!) than get bogged down in the means (the ins and outs of a sequencer) so much that it BECOMES the end.

Greg

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