KVR Audio

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:57 pm

Ryan99 wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:My mum burned 5 kg of green cabbage in her kitchen, what a horrendous smell experience.
Please start your own thread about your cabbage experience.

And for those that don't get it, please start another thread about the TV resolution of the future, which is irrelevant to the current thread, which is compliant to KVR rules. Thanks and back to the topic about the mighty Avenger, which I love by the way!

Ok,

The cutoff knob, when turned to around 17420 Hz, isn't doing anything above that frequency. Also, that cutoff frequency seems to be different then what the plugin is stating. Since the filters are bandlimited, i was able to see where the filter stops advancing;

17235 Hz.jpg

The spectrum shows around 21160 Hz (cutoff with high resonance), while the plugin shows 17235 Hz. Above 17300 Hz (to 22050 Hz) on the plugin, the sound isn't changing anymore. This was fixed in the previous version, but it seems to be broken again in the latest iteration.

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:23 pm

Ryan99 wrote:This thread is more than 200 pages for a reason... Let's talk about the weather now!

lol!! Yeah, unfortunately. Who would have forecasted a "screen resolution" flame thread?
Guys, he stated his opinion. Lest we forget that years ago, some guy mentioned the future of the Internet, and everyone disagreed with him as well. If you don't have 4k, then whatever. I tried Avenger on my HD laptop and it was fine after resizing it. The resize works. What the f**ks the big deal? Why don't people actually talk about the stuff that they're doing with it? Is anyone kicking ass with this instead of just picking it apart and complaining about what it doesn't do? Is anybody actually using it? It would be nice to hear about it.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:27 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
Ryan99 wrote:This thread is more than 200 pages for a reason... Let's talk about the weather now!
lol!! Yeah, unfortunately. Who would have forecasted a "screen resolution" flame thread?
Guys, he stated his opinion. Lest we forget that years ago, some guy mentioned the future of the Internet, and everyone disagreed with him as well. If you don't have 4k, then whatever. I tried Avenger on my HD laptop and it was fine after resizing it. The resize works. What the f**ks the big deal? Why don't people actually talk about the stuff that they're doing with it? Is anyone kicking ass with this instead of just picking it apart and complaining about what it doesn't do? Is anybody actually using it? It would be nice to hear about it.

Well...i don;t want to prolong this discussion, but he wasn't stating an opinion. He was just wrong in his statement.

To answer your last question; I've been working on a new album where Avenger has been heavily used on a couple of tracks. So, i can't post examples of it here yet...but i know this; Avenger is freaking awesome

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:46 pm

exmatproton wrote:Well...i don;t want to prolong this discussion, but he wasn't stating an opinion. He was just wrong in his statement.

Sorry for the rant. I understand your opinion but that's how he feels about it and that's fine also. It still works very well on non 4k screens. It might also depend on what part of the world one resides in. I'm in America, and I know we are slow as shit to adapt to new technology for some reason. I'll rephrase that. Slow as shit to make it affordable, and making it standard.

Who knows elsewhere how it is.

alexmshore · Post by **alexmshore** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:56 pm

Is there anyway to copy a drum sequence onto a track in your DAW? For instance in Geist I can make a pattern and then drag it onto a drag onto a track and just edit the midi freely in the piano roll. There doesn't seem to be a way to do that after trying the demo and watching the videos? Thanks

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:44 pm

alexmshore wrote:Is there anyway to copy a drum sequence onto a track in your DAW? For instance in Geist I can make a pattern and then drag it onto a drag onto a track and just edit the midi freely in the piano roll. There doesn't seem to be a way to do that after trying the demo and watching the videos? Thanks

Not yet - it's a possible for the future. Hoping that the drum sequencer gets some love in several areas in updates to come.

godly · Post by **godly** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:50 pm

SLiC wrote:
exmatproton wrote:
SLiC wrote:
exmatproton wrote:
msvs wrote:
Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.
I disagree with you completely. Well, only time will tell.
Fact is, that you can work on a 1080p screen very well in Avenger. It does not look as cool as on a higher res, but you can work.
Disagree? About facts? Strange...
Unless you can accurately predict the future these are not facts, they are your opinion

1080P has been the general resolution for a long time, personally I suspect it will go 4K next, within a year or 2- not facts, speculation I bought a decent 28inch 4K (AOC) for less than £250, I don t know why anyone would buy/want less....

Avenger works fine for me 1080P (laptop) and 4K (DAW), my opinion!
Well, no. 1080p still isn't the general resolution. That is a fact. You are talking about specific markets (sub-pro, enthousiasts, gamers). You seem to forget that most display users are "common" people who don't want to spend 150 to 250 euro's on a display. + Many "normal" users have a 'cheap' laptop with "low res" displays.

Also, all i am stating are facts, except for my prediction, based upon the last 20 years of displays (i am in that buisness, so i think it is fair to say that my prediction will hold to a big amount). Furthermore, i think you're stating your opinion based on what is happening on the tv market, where indeed 1440p isn't being used that much in displays. Obviously we are talking about pc screens and laptop displays here...

Even on steam, where 1080p is the most used res, 1366x768 is the second most used res. With 24,86 %. 1080p is 38,06 %.
Yes, 1080p is the most common resolution for anyone using a monitor. Laptops are what drags the resolution down to 1366x768. So for desktops, 1080p is statistically the most common resolution. As for the future...Your fact was 'we are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution' - it is for all desktop users, it is not yet standard for laptop screens, and may never be as it isn't always suited for small screens (with my old eyes I cant use 1080P 15 inch monitors!)

Correct, check the stats

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp

godly · Post by **godly** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:51 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:
alexmshore wrote:Is there anyway to copy a drum sequence onto a track in your DAW? For instance in Geist I can make a pattern and then drag it onto a drag onto a track and just edit the midi freely in the piano roll. There doesn't seem to be a way to do that after trying the demo and watching the videos? Thanks
Not yet - it's a possible for the future. Hoping that the drum sequencer gets some love in several areas in updates to come.

+1 !!!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:52 pm

exmatproton wrote:
SLiC wrote:Yes, 1080p is the most common resolution for anyone using a monitor. Laptops are what drags the resolution down to 1366x768. So for desktops, 1080p is statistically the most common resolution. As for the future...Your fact was 'we are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution' - it is for all desktop users, it is not yet standard for laptop screens, and may never be as it isn't always suited for small screens (with my old eyes I cant use 1080P 15 inch monitors!)
Ok, fair enough. With 1 addition; it is not only laptop displays that's dragging it down. We forget about all the other resolutions. Like 1600 x 900, 1680 x 1050 and 1920x1200. Many users are still using those as well. Fact of the matter is, is that hardware advances not that rapidly. Not yet at least. Most people on 1080P will upgrade to 1440P. Some of them (a small amount) won't go higher in res per display, but buy a second 1080P and even a smaller portion will go from 1080P to 4K (and these are facts as well. Statistics show only a small (relatively speaking ofcourse) growth towards 4K displays).

Having said all that, that was not the point i was answering to. Manuel stated something which isn't true;

"4k will soon be default everywhere. In the TV world, its already standard... and tbh I think this is good. Anyone who worked already on a 4k screen won't go back " --> which is utter bull. Unless he means within 10 years, when he used the word 'soon'. (+ In the tv world 4K isn't standard AT ALL. It's still a niche)

Oh, it will surely come. Hopefully not too soon, i'm still on a full HD display on my desktop comp, and on HD (1366x768) on my laptop.

But, frankly, there's already enough 4k displays, and TV's being sold, and, considering the typical dpi on a mobile phone, or tablet, our computer's display are severly lacking. Of course, for games and such, processing power will be a factor too, when you have such massive resolution. I don't have a doubt though that it is the thing to come.

godly · Post by **godly** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:14 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
Ryan99 wrote:This thread is more than 200 pages for a reason... Let's talk about the weather now!
lol!! Yeah, unfortunately. Who would have forecasted a "screen resolution" flame thread?
Guys, he stated his opinion. Lest we forget that years ago, some guy mentioned the future of the Internet, and everyone disagreed with him as well. If you don't have 4k, then whatever. I tried Avenger on my HD laptop and it was fine after resizing it. The resize works. What the f**ks the big deal? Why don't people actually talk about the stuff that they're doing with it? Is anyone kicking ass with this instead of just picking it apart and complaining about what it doesn't do? Is anybody actually using it? It would be nice to hear about it.

True, but I guess in case of Avenger it's an important topic, since the GUI is the first in its kind with vestor, thus has some problem coming along. And you see the users care.

I think it's beautiful

godly · Post by **godly** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:15 pm

exmatproton wrote:
Orbit-50 wrote:
Ryan99 wrote:This thread is more than 200 pages for a reason... Let's talk about the weather now!
lol!! Yeah, unfortunately. Who would have forecasted a "screen resolution" flame thread?
Guys, he stated his opinion. Lest we forget that years ago, some guy mentioned the future of the Internet, and everyone disagreed with him as well. If you don't have 4k, then whatever. I tried Avenger on my HD laptop and it was fine after resizing it. The resize works. What the f**ks the big deal? Why don't people actually talk about the stuff that they're doing with it? Is anyone kicking ass with this instead of just picking it apart and complaining about what it doesn't do? Is anybody actually using it? It would be nice to hear about it.
Well...i don;t want to prolong this discussion, but he wasn't stating an opinion. He was just wrong in his statement.

To answer your last question; I've been working on a new album where Avenger has been heavily used on a couple of tracks. So, i can't post examples of it here yet...but i know this; Avenger is freaking awesome

No doubt about it ! Bring it on !!!

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:24 pm

godly wrote:True, but I guess in case of Avenger it's an important topic, since the GUI is the first in its kind with vector, thus has some problem coming along. And you see the users care.
I think it's beautiful

I totally get that. It was just that this thread was destined to turn into a 32 page all out "Manuel Said 4k Is The Standard, And He's f**king Wrong" knock down, drag out, flame thread. That's all. Now, let me get back to oiling and polishing my dongle and...

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:29 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
godly wrote:True, but I guess in case of Avenger it's an important topic, since the GUI is the first in its kind with vector, thus has some problem coming along. And you see the users care.
I think it's beautiful
I totally get that. It was just that this thread was destined to turn into a 32 page all out "Manuel Said 4k Is The Standard, And He's f**king Wrong" knock down, drag out, flame thread. That's all. Now, let me get back to oiling and polishing my dongle and...

Ofcourse it turned into that

1gtn5v.jpg

godly · Post by **godly** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:39 pm

exmatproton wrote:
Orbit-50 wrote:
godly wrote:True, but I guess in case of Avenger it's an important topic, since the GUI is the first in its kind with vector, thus has some problem coming along. And you see the users care.
I think it's beautiful
I totally get that. It was just that this thread was destined to turn into a 32 page all out "Manuel Said 4k Is The Standard, And He's f**king Wrong" knock down, drag out, flame thread. That's all. Now, let me get back to oiling and polishing my dongle and...
Ofcourse it turned into that

1gtn5v.jpg

Lol

We all love Manuel and Rene for what they've created and the devotion they have.
It only shows we do care and how popular the synth is.

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 6:41 pm

godly wrote:
exmatproton wrote:
Orbit-50 wrote:
godly wrote:True, but I guess in case of Avenger it's an important topic, since the GUI is the first in its kind with vector, thus has some problem coming along. And you see the users care.
I think it's beautiful
I totally get that. It was just that this thread was destined to turn into a 32 page all out "Manuel Said 4k Is The Standard, And He's f**king Wrong" knock down, drag out, flame thread. That's all. Now, let me get back to oiling and polishing my dongle and...
Ofcourse it turned into that

1gtn5v.jpg
Lol We all love Manuel and Rene for what they've created and the devotion they have.
It only shows we do care and how popular the synth is.

Ow sure, we do!

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