KVR Audio

ErikH · Post by **ErikH** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:24 pm

@ OTristan:

Indeed, Olivier, Simon's samples ( not Simon's but the bass flute samples he created!) are 48.

I tried with a 44.1 sample, and the cursor jumps back to start.

You guys nailed it!

This non 44.1 may also be the cause of Falcon hanging when IScrub and IStretch are set to all minimum setting.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:58 pm

ErikH wrote:@ OTristan:

Indeed, Olivier, Simon's samples ( not Simon's but the bass flute samples he created!) are 48.

I tried with a 44.1 sample, and the cursor jumps back to start.

You guys nailed it!

This non 44.1 may also be the cause of Falcon hanging when IScrub and IStretch are set to all minimum setting.

In fact all the gazillion samples I created over the years are in 48 khz, apart of the ones for Serum. I even dream in 48 khz.

ErikH · Post by **ErikH** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:03 pm

Indeed.
Plus: your samples are easily available from within Falcon. And I know they are good, so I used them with the Ircam Stretch and Scrub. But these only work (at the moment) with 44.1 (on my machine, and I guess all Win7 machines). This caused not only the sample-read to block at the end but also the Falcon to hang when all relevant settings were turned to minimal (an older problem; I tried this out, and it does seem to be solved).

So now that the UVI people know the cause, they can work with the Ircam guys and gals and solve it.
And then, together, open a few bottles of Veuve Cliquot Ponsardin.

c_voltage · Post by **c_voltage** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:31 pm

Oh my, sorry nrosko, otristan, excuse me for disinformation.

I able to reproduce IRCAM Stretch crash already now in v1.1, and even with 44100khz file.
But look what happens: just alltime i was use for test the same long 44100khz\24bit wav - and really no problem with it in v1.1 (except large cpu activity), but now i tried import other, short 44100khz\16bit wav to ircam stretch, set Speed knob to max, and then press to note really cause the same crash immediately. Oh shit .

(For the future, I will take this into account, for the reliability of the test.)

ErikH · Post by **ErikH** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:48 pm

Hello c_voltage,

I have added this to the running ticket I have with UVI on this problem so you must not send a separate one as the more the info in bundled, the better. Mark will add this to the contact UVI has with Ircam.
Thanks for mentioning!

Soon these problems will be over.

otristan · Post by **otristan** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:52 pm

c_voltage wrote:Oh my, sorry nrosko, otristan, excuse me for disinformation.

I able to reproduce IRCAM Stretch crash already now in v1.1, and even with 44100khz file.
But look what happens: just alltime i was use for test the same long 44100khz\24bit wav - and really no problem with it in v1.1 (except large cpu activity), but now i tried import other, short 44100khz\16bit wav to ircam stretch, set Speed knob to max, and then press to note really cause the same crash immediately. Oh shit .

(For the future, I will take this into account, for the reliability of the test.)

This is a regression (now fixed) introduced in 1.1 while fixing the other bug.
1.1.1 will fix this one and hopefully the other one (IRCAM guys are on it)

c_voltage · Post by **c_voltage** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:22 pm

ErikH, otristan
Oh then ok, thanks !

the3ug3reeder · Post by **the3ug3reeder** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:07 am

cris_core wrote:I made a video doing a casual comparison of Falcon with both Kontakt and Komplete from Native Instruments.

Wow. You certainly seem to be a heavyweight authority on bagpipes;)

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:10 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
ErikH wrote:@ OTristan:

Indeed, Olivier, Simon's samples ( not Simon's but the bass flute samples he created!) are 48.

I tried with a 44.1 sample, and the cursor jumps back to start.

You guys nailed it!

This non 44.1 may also be the cause of Falcon hanging when IScrub and IStretch are set to all minimum setting.
In fact all the gazillion samples I created over the years are in 48 khz, apart of the ones for Serum. I even dream in 48 khz.

Is there an advantage to running at 48khz? (or disadvantage to 44 which is what I use currently)

voon · Post by **voon** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:08 am

the3ug3reeder wrote:
cris_core wrote:I made a video doing a casual comparison of Falcon with both Kontakt and Komplete from Native Instruments.

Wow. You certainly seem to be a heavyweight authority on bagpipes;)

That's not a comparison between Falcon and Kontakt. That's reducing Falcon to a sample player and then compare what's around for samples and samplemodification. That's where Kontakt is naturally strong at (since it is nothing than a Sampleplayer with the usualy subtractive features, aka filters FX etc. If you're looking for the best Sample player atm, there's probably not much chance of getting past Kontakt there, given it's a pseudo-standard and a metric ton of libraries available for it.

Falcon however is a totally different beast. Samples are just one (or if you count int the wavetables) a few of its oscillators. Falcon shines as a huge beast with unlimited (well your PC power limits) Oscillators of all sorts ... it's a sounddesiners wet dream and at that, it beats Kontakt by a long shot.

So this is a bit apples and oranges here, although both overlap a bit. But it's like saying: I compared a race car and a pickup truck and the pickup truck is better, because it can haul a few IKEA shelves.

voon · Post by **voon** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:10 am

(double post, can be deleted)

the3ug3reeder · Post by **the3ug3reeder** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:32 am

voon wrote:
the3ug3reeder wrote:
cris_core wrote:I made a video doing a casual comparison of Falcon with both Kontakt and Komplete from Native Instruments.

Wow. You certainly seem to be a heavyweight authority on bagpipes;)
That's not a comparison between Falcon and Kontakt. That's reducing Falcon to a sample player and then compare what's around for samples and samplemodification. That's where Kontakt is naturally strong at (since it is nothing than a Sampleplayer with the usualy subtractive features, aka filters FX etc. If you're looking for the best Sample player atm, there's probably not much chance of getting past Kontakt there, given it's a pseudo-standard and a metric ton of libraries available for it.

Falcon however is a totally different beast. Samples are just one (or if you count int the wavetables) a few of its oscillators. Falcon shines as a huge beast with unlimited (well your PC power limits) Oscillators of all sorts ... it's a sounddesiners wet dream and at that, it beats Kontakt by a long shot.

So this is a bit apples and oranges here, although both overlap a bit. But it's like saying: I compared a race car and a pickup truck and the pickup truck is better, because it can haul a few IKEA shelves.

indeed. and the guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about... he already did a review comparing falcon to serum (smirk) and in the 4 months since then he still hasn't figured out that you can just click the oscillator tab to change the oscillator. he does a good bit of whining regarding that at about 4 mins. i think he should read the manual before posing as an expert.

voon · Post by **voon** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:49 am

(doublepost sorry can be deleted)

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:49 am

I only bared watching 2 minutes of that video and found it quite embarrassing, clueless, pointless, useless, why on earth would someone do such a comparison in this particular way?

the3ug3reeder · Post by **the3ug3reeder** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:59 am

the Cliff Clavin of digital audio;)

UVI Falcon - v4 = 2026 released - rumors, ads, praise, kindergarden, auto-sampling and off-topic inside!