New IK teaser

[fanfarecircuit]

Something to put you in your place would be nice.

come on, squids... get off your high horse already. you are not going to put me in my place. i put you in your place by stating the obvious. funny how you failed to quote or comment on the rest of my post. did i say you were lying? no. but you are stretching realty, as usual. i suggest the application is nothing more than a game or relaxing past time to anybody, gabriel included. so, please just relax. or maybe elaborate on how your opinion of this toy changed when you realized peter gabriel was using it. give your statement some context.

[mellotronaut]

ad BManic: ... and you underestimate the child inside the adult.

[bmanic]

Sorry IK but this is quite a fail, imho. Wish you good sales with it though so you don't go bust.


bManic

i can't stop laughing about all the comments here: it's not a fail. We have a 13 year old boy here, who has spent a lot of his holidays now with Garage Band. He doesn't know anything about theory and he can't play an instrument (yet), but now he gets interested in music making and he tries out strange combinations of loops. These easy apps aren't especially for us, but for the curious not yet musicians.

m

You obviously didn't read my post then thoroughly enough. I said that IK Multimedia is underestimating the potential market. Making an application extremely simple and only for combining loops is silly. There is nothing stopping them from adding the possibility of using single samples and perhaps some simple synth sound sources to create your OWN material.

I'm 99.999% sure your 13 year old wouldn't have any problems with an application that is slightly more advanced than Garage Band. He'd still be interested in it and would probably still make music and combine various things if music is what interests him.

The "instant gratification" stuff and "no real challenge" is just silly mentality. Why on earth do we have to dumb down everything? Cookie cutter ready made bullcrap. Kids/youngsters are much MUCH smarter than many of us adults give credit to. Heck my 3 year old daughter is already experimenting with music on this wonderful site called Poisson Rouge. There are some "games" there where you can create your own melodies and such.

The excuse that an application needs to be very easy and make everything for you to make you interested in a genre is just so wrong that it hurts my brain. Since when did you see teenagers play extremely simple easy games that do everything for you? Right.. never, coz it's in their nature to explore and push the boundaries.

Cheers!
bManic

don't be so rude!
these apps are just teasers for people, who do a lot of things with their favourite app (either mobile-phone or multi-purpose music app) together with their pals. They push boundaries with other apps at home on their pc after having tried simple pleasures first. May your brain hurt or not.

cheese

m

How on earth was I rude? I can have an opinion can't I? Gee.. why on earth are people so sensitive lately. Can't say anything anymore without being considered rude.

- bManic

[bmanic]

... and you underestimate the child inside the adult.

.. I give up.

[mellotronaut]

" ... hurts my brain ... " was the point. Try to imagine, not everybody thinks like you!

m

[Hink]

make a poll on kvr, who really plays a 'real' instrument quite well! I think, a lot of peeps here aren't that skilled, but maybe they are good enineers, sound-designers or djs.
I play guitar, bass and keys more or less well, i'm not the hit in reading scores, but i can express my musical needs quite well anyway.
There are so many ways of making music or helping in music making.

it's been done and you're not exactly correct (not exactly wrong either), I think you're underestimating the amount of musicians here started playing before people had pcs. Add to that the number of people who either started playing as a result of computer music and those who came into computer music from a traditional instrument. However I'm not sure where you get off saying most people aren't that skilled, I think you better me be mighty damn good to back that up

[bmanic]

Giving more people a chance to express their creativity is never a bad thing.

[bmanic]

" ... hurts my brain ... " was the point. Try to imagine, not everybody thinks like you!

m

Eh, if something hurts MY brain. How on earth is that RUDE? Damn it man. Grow some skin. US foreign politics hurts my brain to the core, so does Finnish taxation, silly iPhone applications and whatnot. That doesn't make it rude.

You seem to read way too much into what I write and take it all personally, so this is for you:

All I have ever said and will ever say is IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHOIMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHOIMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO

- bManic

[Hink]

Giving more people a chance to express their creativity is never a bad thing.

wait until they start composing in cars while driving, honestly, with the reputation cell phones has with automobiles (and well earned) it could be a tragic thing for some. You can't count on people using common sense and all these iphone apps are playing with fire imo. I'm not saying "shame on you" so don't get me wrong, but it's naive to think it's all skittles and gumdrops.

[Squids]

Something to put you in your place would be nice.

come on, squids... get off your high horse already. you are not going to put me in my place. i put you in your place by stating the obvious. funny how you failed to quote or comment on the rest of my post. did i say you were lying? no. but you are stretching realty, as usual. i suggest the application is nothing more than a game or relaxing past time to anybody, gabriel included. so, please just relax. or maybe elaborate on how your opinion of this toy changed when you realized peter gabriel was using it. give your statement some context.

Well, first, I was talking about Gabriel using the original application, not the iphone version which wasn't out yet. I said that I was surprised to hear he was using it. That was my whole point. I was not saying "Gabriel uses it so you should too". I was merely talking (which I am entitled to do so lay off) about a real exprience that shows past interest from artists (Probably because of the patented randomization technology that is involved). I am sure someone like Peter Gabriel found a creative way to use it. Whether he'd be into the iPhone app I have no idea. But really for $10 I can't see why not even if it was just for fun.

At that price of course there's nothing wrong with it being a fun gadget for anybody whether they are a pro musician or a total beginner... or even just someone who happens to own an iphone. It's not that hard to believe either. You're just a bit paranoid... and we all know your ulterior motives to damage so... keep on trolling! That's what you like to do. Nothing new.

[Squids]

Giving more people a chance to express their creativity is never a bad thing.

wait until they start composing in cars while driving, honestly, with the reputation cell phones has with automobiles (and well earned) it could be a tragic thing for some. You can't count on people using common sense and all these iphone apps are playing with fire imo. I'm not saying "shame on you" so don't get me wrong, but it's naive to think it's all skittles and gumdrops.

Well, is anyone going to stop the thousands of apps from being made for the iphone because people might use them in the car while driving?

By the way, Groove Maker also has a GPS system that tells you where all of the cool clubs are in your area.

[lotus2035]

..and so began the GrooveMaker Wars of 2009, lasting 18 years and leading to almost 3 billion deaths worldwide, the effect on human society and the earth itself was immeasurable..

[fanfarecircuit]

Something to put you in your place would be nice.

come on, squids... get off your high horse already. you are not going to put me in my place. i put you in your place by stating the obvious. funny how you failed to quote or comment on the rest of my post. did i say you were lying? no. but you are stretching realty, as usual. i suggest the application is nothing more than a game or relaxing past time to anybody, gabriel included. so, please just relax. or maybe elaborate on how your opinion of this toy changed when you realized peter gabriel was using it. give your statement some context.

Well, first, I was talking about Gabriel using the original application, not the iphone version which wasn't out yet. I said that I was surprised to hear he was using it. That was my whole point. I was not saying "Gabriel uses it so you should too". I was merely talking (which I am entitled to do so lay off) about a real exprience that shows past interest from artists (Probably because of the patented randomization technology that is involved). I am sure someone like Peter Gabriel found a creative way to use it. Whether he'd be into the iPhone app I have no idea. But really for $10 I can't see why not even if it was just for fun.

At that price of course there's nothing wrong with it being a fun gadget for anybody whether they are a pro musician or a total beginner... or even just someone who happens to own an iphone. It's not that hard to believe either. You're just a bit paranoid... and we all know your ulterior motives to damage so... keep on trolling! That's what you like to do. Nothing new.

i don't think i've said anything that damaging here, but you are entitled to your opinion. keep it up. i'll be sure to always state my opinion as well.

[redshift factor]

Andrew's gushing enthusiasm prior to the announcement stirred a lot of interest and hope. Comments about how much WE KVE USERS would like this certainly suggested it would be a product relevant to professional audio folk.

Nah, I think it was just a diss of KVR users!
Hell, this is the forum where Reaper and Antress plugins reign supreme, after all...

[zerocrossing]

Stuff that dumbs down "what music IS" by reducing it to compiling a few loops into a track does, imho, a serious disservice to our kids.

But nothing kills the urge to play more more than getting handed a trumpet and the sheet music for hot cross buns.

Frankly, I blame my late start in music on music educators. Instead of nurturing a love for music, it presented music as a secret code for the "special" who had the ware-with-all to learn it. I was forced to only try and learn music that had zero cultural relevance to me or anyone under 50 for that matter.

Though, when I found music that inspired me, I was forced to try and make it. Luckily, by then I was old enough to know how to buck the system and I was able to find a few books with chord diagrams of songs that I loved and the rest was easy. Friends showed me stuff I couldn't get on my own and while I suck at reading music, I can still to this day hear a tune and be playing it within a few minutes because I learned to listen. Something that no music educator I ever found seemed interested in cultivating.

But I had things like Groovemaker. They were made by Sears and part of cheap organs, but were early attempts at making music for dabblers. They didn't squash my interest, they pushed if forward. Much more so than any teacher ever did.