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Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:10 pm

antithesist wrote:Did you decide to buy the Backhole plug-in or not?

I can't decide - I'll wait until the demo licence for BH expires then finding that I have already used it in too many projects not to get it

- in BH I like the automizationable morphing possibilities morphing between one setting into the other (IN/OUT) and the sound ain't bad either.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:11 pm

Tp3 wrote:SiMOD, do you have a web store for YOURSELF ?

Can I buy you ?

I'm still trying to clone myself but my knowledge in genetics is rather poor...

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:15 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Comparing Eventide's Blackhole with Shimmer this morning, I just needed to know if I want the hole...similar settings, I programmed Blackhole first and then tried to imitate that sound with Shimmer, demo starts with BH, then the same piano impro goes through Shimmer:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/c ... t-eventide

Sounds pretty close to my ears. A few tips for dialing in the Blackhole sound with Shimmer:

- Set Color to Dark. The Blackhole algorithm is clearly using linear interpolation, and the Dark mode in Shimmer enables this type of interpolation.

- Set the High Cut to 6000 Hz or lower.

- For positive Gravity settings in Blackhole, set Diffusion in Shimmer to somewhere between 0.9 and 0.99.

- For negative Gravity settings in Blackhole, set Diffusion in Shimmer between 0.5 and 0.618.

Sean Costello

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Thu May 24, 2012 4:06 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Tp3 wrote:SiMOD, do you have a web store for YOURSELF ?

Can I buy you ?
I'm still trying to clone myself but my knowledge in genetics is rather poor...

I just want to clone that part of your brain the generates presets. that's all.

Send me an offer to tp3@i-c-cure-sounds.com

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu May 24, 2012 4:09 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
antithesist wrote:Did you decide to buy the Backhole plug-in or not?
I can't decide - I'll wait until the demo licence for BH expires then finding that I have already used it in too many projects not to get it - in BH I like the automizationable morphing possibilities morphing between one setting into the other (IN/OUT) and the sound ain't bad either.

That's why I love Kore - with Kore I can do that with almost any plugin including Shimmer

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 24, 2012 4:30 pm

Tp3 wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Tp3 wrote:SiMOD, do you have a web store for YOURSELF ?

Can I buy you ?
I'm still trying to clone myself but my knowledge in genetics is rather poor...
I just want to clone that part of your brain the generates presets. that's all.

Send me an offer to tp3@i-c-cure-sounds.com

How about 1.000.000.000.000000.000000.0000.00000000.0000000000000 whatever you have to spare?

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 24, 2012 4:32 pm

valhallasound wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Comparing Eventide's Blackhole with Shimmer this morning, I just needed to know if I want the hole...similar settings, I programmed Blackhole first and then tried to imitate that sound with Shimmer, demo starts with BH, then the same piano impro goes through Shimmer:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/c ... t-eventide
Sounds pretty close to my ears. A few tips for dialing in the Blackhole sound with Shimmer:

- Set Color to Dark. The Blackhole algorithm is clearly using linear interpolation, and the Dark mode in Shimmer enables this type of interpolation.

- Set the High Cut to 6000 Hz or lower.

- For positive Gravity settings in Blackhole, set Diffusion in Shimmer to somewhere between 0.9 and 0.99.

- For negative Gravity settings in Blackhole, set Diffusion in Shimmer between 0.5 and 0.618.

Sean Costello

Yeah the dark mode is inevitable to emulate BH in Shimmer - what a silly thing to do really, emulating the sound of a Plug with another Plug

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Thu May 24, 2012 6:14 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Tp3 wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Tp3 wrote:SiMOD, do you have a web store for YOURSELF ?

Can I buy you ?
I'm still trying to clone myself but my knowledge in genetics is rather poor...
I just want to clone that part of your brain the generates presets. that's all.

Send me an offer to tp3@i-c-cure-sounds.com

How about 1.000.000.000.000000.000000.0000.00000000.0000000000000 whatever you have to spare?

ARE YOU INSANE ?!

Umm... drop two zeros - and I'm in !

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Thu May 24, 2012 6:21 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote: Yeah the dark mode is inevitable to emulate BH in Shimmer - what a silly thing to do really, emulating the sound of a Plug with another Plug

I'm not here to judge your actions, Simon.

Listening to the tail at the end of each section, it sounds like Blackhole might be using some predelay (there is no predelay parameter in Shimmer), and might have a slightly higher allpass coefficient, as it has a bit less "fade in" than the Shimmer example.

The actual music behind the effects sounds brilliant. As is to be expected with Simon's stuff. Someone should program a Twitter bot that autoresponds to any Simon Stockhausen tweet with "sounds brilliant!"

Sean Costello

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Thu May 24, 2012 6:28 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Comparing Eventide's Blackhole with Shimmer this morning, I just needed to know if I want the hole...similar settings, I programmed Blackhole first and then tried to imitate that sound with Shimmer, demo starts with BH, then the same piano impro goes through Shimmer:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/c ... t-eventide

I would buy an album of your patch experiments. Seriously.

Brittlestem · Post by **Brittlestem** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:03 pm

Arglebargle wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Comparing Eventide's Blackhole with Shimmer this morning, I just needed to know if I want the hole...similar settings, I programmed Blackhole first and then tried to imitate that sound with Shimmer, demo starts with BH, then the same piano impro goes through Shimmer:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/c ... t-eventide
I would buy an album of your patch experiments. Seriously.

+1, do you really have no music for sale?

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:18 pm

re_mute wrote:
Arglebargle wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Comparing Eventide's Blackhole with Shimmer this morning, I just needed to know if I want the hole...similar settings, I programmed Blackhole first and then tried to imitate that sound with Shimmer, demo starts with BH, then the same piano impro goes through Shimmer:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/c ... t-eventide
I would buy an album of your patch experiments. Seriously.
+1, do you really have no music for sale?

Oh plenty - in my MP3 store, on Bandcamp, in CD stores (are there any left?), amazone, iTunes whatever - current stuff, albums from the past I did with my brother for ECM, EMI and other labels.

Concerning the Valhalla tapes I actually had this idea some months ago, there is a thread about it here. It just needs time to compile and master all those demos, time I don't have atm. But some of those demos and experiments are probably worth releasing.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:23 pm

valhallasound wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote: Yeah the dark mode is inevitable to emulate BH in Shimmer - what a silly thing to do really, emulating the sound of a Plug with another Plug
I'm not here to judge your actions, Simon.

Listening to the tail at the end of each section, it sounds like Blackhole might be using some predelay (there is no predelay parameter in Shimmer), and might have a slightly higher allpass coefficient, as it has a bit less "fade in" than the Shimmer example.

The actual music behind the effects sounds brilliant. As is to be expected with Simon's stuff. Someone should program a Twitter bot that autoresponds to any Simon Stockhausen tweet with "sounds brilliant!"

Sean Costello

I was only thinking loud...

In BH the size also determines the attack/buildup of the space so even with no predelay dialed in at higher size settings the attack changes drastically.

Thank's for the flowers and praising my noodling experiments, today was experimental noodling-day because having a bad cold I gave up writing on my orchestral score after an hour and resigned to noodling around with BH, Shimmer and PitchFunk.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:53 pm

Here is a discount code (50% off) for my latest studio album Minimal Nightmare. I'm currently arranging/extending it for live-band and string orchestra performed open air on Septembre 1st this year in Hamburg.
The discount code is:
shimmer

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Fri May 25, 2012 6:38 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote: In BH the size also determines the attack/buildup of the space so even with no predelay dialed in at higher size settings the attack changes drastically.

I'm hearing a definite pre-delay gap in the Blackhole example, before the actual "reverberation." My guess is that there is some "fixed" delay before the series allpasses, or after the series allpasses, but before the outputs. This is a necessary addition when you add global feedback to the "lots of series allpasses" type reverb structure (Blackhole, Shimmer, Toraverb, Spacemaster, Redline Reverb), in order to avoid unpleasant coloration as the global feedback is turned up. If this is a longer delay, and it varies with size, then you will hear this as a predelay type sound with longer size settings.

Sean Costello

ValhallaShimmer