Fatboy Slim thoughts about software synths

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zerocrossing wrote:Still, no one will listen to that example I posted and swear they feel that Diva sounds as good as the Slim Phatty. Not one.
That has to do with the skills of one making the sounds.
Some other person could produce an example where Diva might "subjectively" sound better than the Phatty example.
So put up your best Phatty audio example, and let someone else have a go at it, or quite blabbin about it, and just be a poster boy for gear slutz instead.
All I need is a decent audio example, but it's hard to find one, as the ones I found all sound like s**t.
Apparently that example you speak of had some eq'ing done on the phatty example, from what I understood.
Besides it's not modeled after the Phatty.
I heard some good examples of it against a real minimoog d, and they sounded almost the same. Not worse or better, just very slight difference.
Almost the same is good enough for most, who don't mind some difference for the sake of cost and convenience.
As far as I'm concerned, it's not so much hardware vs software any more, but like this sound (as in an individual preset) vs that other sound.
Some sounds I've heard on soft synths are great, and some on hardware synths are terrible, and vice-versa, so really whats the point.

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braj wrote:Everything has its pluses and minuses, and now in the newest generation softsynths sound just about the same as hardware to the point that few would notice any difference in the context of an actual song.
I totally agree! There's no sense in using anything else than Daichis Synth1 and Reapers own effects. No ones going to hear a difference in a finished song anyway!
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This thread cracks me up a little. It's been a while since I've visited KvR, and you guys are still getting your knickers in a twist when - insert famous producer here - says he still prefers hardware over software :-)

The main thing is, and forgive me on not wading through 22 pages of KvR inside jokes and praises to Diva (which rocks), is the interface. That's right, no more no less. Sound is so subjective, and I'm sure with a bit of work softsynths can sound really analogue and 'fat' in a mix, but that's not really the point. The point is more of being creative and getting inspired by synths. Personally I've been using softsynths since they were first around, and made loads of tracks with it. Nowadays I'm really love creating sounds (and with a bit of luck even music) with my Eurorack modular, to me so much more fun and inspiring. To each his own I presume.

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I prefer hardware over software. That's why I strive to make software that comes as close as possible to hardware.

But software costs less, by a couple of orders of magnitude. You can instantiate as many as you want; real hardware needs multitracking to clone.

I'm fine with leaving hardware as the holy grail. It is! Maybe we'll never quite get there in digital emulation, but our software gets closer all the time. And the other advantages start to outweigh the very subtle differences. Software weighs nothing, is free to transport, doesn't take space in the van, and if you have 1 you can have 10 or 20 or whatever... As long as you like the SOUND... it's good. If you don't like the sound, hardware options are still available in the multi-thousand dollar range (and that's for ONE instance).

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AdmiralQuality wrote:I prefer hardware over software.
Yea, but does that mean if you only had a choice between Poly-Ana and a DX7.
You would choose the DX7, because you prefer hardware?
A synth imo that has 2 good sounds only.
The thud bass thing, and that ep.
So is it possible you like some "certain" hardware synths, over some "certain" software synths, but not all hardware over software.
Is that correct?

I personally feel that some of the sounds I'm gettin from Diva, could eat fat boy slim, and slim fatty for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I haven't heard much out of either one of those, that is as impressive.

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mcnoone wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:I prefer hardware over software.
Yea, but does that mean if you only had a choice between Poly-Ana and a DX7.
You would choose the DX7, because you prefer hardware?
I would take the DX7. Cooler sounds, easier to take to a gig, easier to play.
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mcnoone wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:I prefer hardware over software.
Yea, but does that mean if you only had a choice between Poly-Ana and a DX7.
You would choose the DX7, because you prefer hardware?
A synth imo that has 2 good sounds only.
The thud bass thing, and that ep.
So is it possible you like some "certain" hardware synths, over some "certain" software synths, but not all hardware over software.
Is that correct?

I personally feel that some of the sounds I'm gettin from Diva, could eat fat boy slim, and slim fatty for breakfast lunch and dinner.
I haven't heard much out of either one of those, that is as impressive.
To try to balance a bit your eternal .... ( cough cough) infomercial, and since you asked for real sounds, here are some possible examples of our -lame :wink: - attempts to possibly add a third good sound to FM synths :-o :o . (here FM8, a recreation fo the DX7 by NI )


FM Legends

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From our Legendary Collection for FM8 :)



This one from our Gloss Spells soundbank for the .... very Digital NI FM8 ( Sorry it uses more than two sounds )

Just do the same with your favorite synths and let us hear , should not be hard, because we know your synths can do it all, and so much better than anything else. 8)

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I've been resisting this one but does Hardware vs Software even make sense? Let's be honest there is some brilliant software, there is some brilliant Hardware....but equally, there are steaming piles of shit in both as well. Looking around me, I see my Gaia Sh01 which has sat untouched since about the first 2 weeks after I bought it while i crank up my Crumar Performer and it makes me feel all warm and gooey inside. In my plugin folder AAS Ultra Analogue sits destitute whilst Alchemy finds its way on to every track I do these days.

These examples are purely subjective according to my personal tastes but IMHO there are good and bad of both but realistically isn't this another argument of analogue vs the rest and what each individual prefers?

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Lotuzia wrote: To try to balance a bit your eternal .... ( cough cough) infomercial.
It was a joke, not an infomercial.
Either way the question was legit, as in...which hardware synth do you dislike most...then would you choose that over your favorite softsynth, just because you feel hardware is better?
It's a good valid question.
I just picked the DX7, cuz that's my least favorite hardware synth, and I did spend some time with it...enough to know I don't like it, and don't care for emulations of it, except for the lately bass, and that ep thing.

edit: I just wish someone would post the Phatty patch that gives em wood.
(translate:Is their favorite Phatty patch)
So I can see if it's doable in a software synth, seeing as lots of people assume it can't be done. Not saying it can, but I'd like to try.
If success would cause em to put a sock in it, then it's worth the effort for whatever it takes.

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Many decent softsynths around, both free and commercial.

But i have yet to hear one that can sound JUST like for example this one:



Listen to that detuning at the beginning. Keep in mind that you are listening to a compressed recording playbacked on a digital medium. Imagine how this has to sound with the synth going directly into a good vintage amp, driving a pair of decent vintage speakers.


Analog Hardware Synths. You cannot simply substitute them with a computer program. (OK, you can, but you know what i mean.)




EDIT: Heres another excellent demonstration of good analog hardware.



Its a 10 minute tweaksession (in other words its long) but worth listening through because the audio is rather good.

The warmth and fullness of that bass sound between 1:09 and 1:11 is just...WOW...



EDIT2: One more, just because its such a good demonstration.

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ENV1 wrote: EDIT: Heres another excellent demonstration of good analog hardware.



Its a 10 minute tweaksession (in other words its long) but worth listening through because the audio is rather good.

The warmth and fullness of that bass sound between 1:09 and 1:11 is just...WOW...
The filter on this thing is so tight. It's teh sex.

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izonin wrote:
ENV1 wrote: EDIT: Heres another excellent demonstration of good analog hardware.



Its a 10 minute tweaksession (in other words its long) but worth listening through because the audio is rather good.

The warmth and fullness of that bass sound between 1:09 and 1:11 is just...WOW...
The filter on this thing is so tight. It's teh sex.
Agreed.

This thing sounds marvelous.

Given the choice between a mini and this one i would take this one any day.

(Trivia: Its one of the synths Newcleus used to mainly use.)

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I had the use of a Pro-1 for a couple of years ... absolutely loved it. :love:
Had a Jupiter 6 and Poly 61 at the same time.

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braj wrote:You need to make it more clear next time, try this one:

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Remembers me of the video by Roger Sanchez - Another Chance...

As the nice lady is stopped from the security guard:
"No, heart's too big!"

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I think it's the end result that counts.

It doesn't really matter if the Moog Phatty or the Diva sounds better (what is better?), you can make good music with both of it, and you can make crappy music with them, too.

Making good music is independent from having only hardware or software synths - there are many guys with big studios and the most expensive hardware stuff, but the don't make good music.

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