Splice rent to own Serum plan, what do you think?

[musikmachine]

There's a really nice sub bass tutorial that convinced of Serums ability to do punchy if you haven't seen it but Serum overall is a very 'midrangey' synth for want of a better term to my ears. Check out this soundset demo: https://soundcloud.com/fabled-audio/sfx ... ndset-demo

That seems to the sweet spot for Serum or the the type of sound it's really good at anyway. Some of those sounds remind me of early Underworld tracks.

[EnGee]

One thing curious to me is how Serum doesn't have MSEGs. I doubt that hasn't been brought up before. It would make things even more interesting imo.

The LFOs are MSEG & can do 1 shot

Indeed. The LFO acts as advanced envelopes as well.

Thanks for the video explaining the Arp, but it is so much easier just to insert Arpeggio as midi effect before Serum or just using the piano roll in the host.

Still, IMO, in Massive it is easier as steps and also because it has two options. Anyway, the LFOs in Serum has flexible curves. But they are definitely one area calling for enhancement, maybe more like Absynth's powerful envelopes for example or Harmor's great modifiers

I just know now how to make the lfo acts as a step sequencer The magic is in the Shift key! Hold and draw, then hold it while adjusting the steps!!

Serum indeed surprises me every day! I think I will go ahead and sell most of my synths except Lush 101 and Blofeld

[musikmachine]

Wow, it really covers so much ground for you? I know the scope is vast but i can't see me selling off Komplete!

Can anyone tell me what's supposed to happen after the 3 days? How do you get hold of the fx version etc?

[Sampleconstruct]

This was posted at the Icarus thread a few hours ago:

Serum has an exquisite wavetable editor and it actually has 2 filters, the 2nd one is located in the FX section (and is not polyphonic/per voice).

So much about the ongoing attemps of certain Serum users to "hijack" the Icarus thread, not to talk about the usual Tone2 haters postimng there...

Bullshit, I was replying to another poster who stated that Serum only had one filter and no decent WT editor, what is your real problem, Ingo?

EDIT: and I am by no means a hater of anything, cure your paranoia...

EDIT 2: and if you quote me, than you should also quote the original post I was replying to, quoting things out of context in order to present me as a T2 “hater“ is quite manipulative I would say.

[Ingonator]

Bullshit, I was replying to another poster who stated that Serum only had one filter and no decent WT editor,

I just posted a reply to that in the Icarus thread.

[EnGee]

Wow, it really covers so much ground for you? I know the scope is vast but i can't see me selling off Komplete!

Can anyone tell me what's supposed to happen after the 3 days? How do you get hold of the fx version etc?

What fx? There is fx version of Serum? No! I don't have it. I'll ask about it though

Well, my experience with Serum might be different than the others, although I doubt it

As Serum mainly has presets for the dubstep world, it puts off those who are not into such genre, so either they cancel it, like I did since it came out, or they have no other choice other than making their own presets from scratch, like I did also few days ago.

Once you start creating your own, you find it very intuitive to use. Almost all the necessary functions or sub functions are there. This from the design prospect. From the sound side, here I was very surprised! I could reach the sound in my head without frustration (I'm not a pro or advanced in sound design, but not beginner either). However, I'm realistic with what I want from Serum. I don't think of a vintage synth sound, as there are synths for that, but for non characteristic sounds, yes, Serum is the tool.

I could do a nice bass (nicer than what I did with other wavetable synths, including Blofeld). I could do great pads and nice leads/plucks. I know it can, and has, many presets for effects. That's what I want, a synth that I can do most everything but without a compromise in the sound quality.

Of course, I can add other characteristic synths like LuSH 101 or Monark, ... etc from vintage emulations or electric piano if required as it's time consuming to come with such sounds (if it's even possible!).

Anyway, I'm trying to make a short piece of only Serum instances. I might post it later.

[pottering]

You have to login on Xfer's site with the email used on Splice, I used the "Forgot your password?" link to check if they made the account on their side, and indeed a password reset was sent, I logged in and the downloads for Serum FX were there, in "Your Account".

Maybe just making an account with the same email works, and maybe if you already had an account with that email the downloads are already there.

[Shabdahbriah]

Wow, it really covers so much ground for you? I know the scope is vast but i can't see me selling off Komplete!

Can anyone tell me what's supposed to happen after the 3 days? How do you get hold of the fx version etc?

What fx? There is fx version of Serum? No! I don't have it. I'll ask about it though

Well, my experience with Serum might be different than the others, although I doubt it

As Serum mainly has presets for the dubstep world, it puts off those who are not into such genre, so either they cancel it, like I did since it came out, or they have no other choice other than making their own presets from scratch, like I did also few days ago.

Once you start creating your own, you find it very intuitive to use. Almost all the necessary functions or sub functions are there. This from the design prospect. From the sound side, here I was very surprised! I could reach the sound in my head without frustration (I'm not a pro or advanced in sound design, but not beginner either). However, I'm realistic with what I want from Serum. I don't think of a vintage synth sound, as there are synths for that, but for non characteristic sounds, yes, Serum is the tool.

I could do a nice bass (nicer than what I did with other wavetable synths, including Blofeld). I could do great pads and nice leads/plucks. I know it can, and has, many presets for effects. That's what I want, a synth that I can do most everything but without a compromise in the sound quality.

Of course, I can add other characteristic synths like LuSH 101 or Monark, ... etc from vintage emulations or electric piano if required as it's time consuming to come with such sounds (if it's even possible!).

Anyway, I'm trying to make a short piece of only Serum instances. I might post it later.

I'm glad to see others, inspired by it.

[EnGee]

You have to login on Xfer's site with the email used on Splice, I used the "Forgot your password?" link to check if they made the account on their side, and indeed a password reset was sent, I logged in and the downloads for Serum FX were there, in "Your Account".

Maybe just making an account with the same email works, and maybe if you already had an account with that email the downloads are already there.

Indeed! I also downloaded the latest beta Thanks a lot

Oh, btw, I also bought Cthulhu direct from Xfer, as I don't have ARP/Sequence in one tool, which will complement Serum perfectly

[bungle]

For me it is massively over priced because it works so poorly in Maschine, so far about 50% of the controls can't be mapped by Maschine leaving it less than useless unless you go back to using the mouse, which kind of defeats using Maschine, so yes to me i think it is massively over priced.

Hmm? Everything in Serum can be automated, except WT edit which would make no sense, osc select which if you have a huge list like me, also no good, and the lfo graphs, the only thing a mouse is good for anyway.

Just because you do not understand how Machine/Kontrol works, does not mean it makes no sense, there are lots of things in Serum that can not be automated, maybe it makes no sense to automate them, however, in Maschine/Kontrol when you use the hardware, it uses automatable parameters to assign controls to parameters, so working with Serum is terrible on the hardware, leaving the hardware to go to the mouse and screen, just to change oscillator shapes, massive workflow killer.
Steve Dudas reply to this in emails is "All parameters are automatable" so either he doesn't even know his own synth, or he is using a version that we are not using, or possibly and most likely, has never used Maschine/Kontrol, does not know how they work, and does not care (Can't blame him for that, NI are idiots)

If it was a bunch cheaper, i could see Maschine/Kontrol users maybe giving it a break, but as is, sorry but it doesn't sound as good as the workflow is bad.

In fact all integrated (Not MIDI) hardware controllers use the automatable parameters, so you will not be changing any of these parameters on any controller, and damn if changing an oscillator shape isn't important haha.

[musikmachine]

You have to login on Xfer's site with the email used on Splice, I used the "Forgot your password?" link to check if they made the account on their side, and indeed a password reset was sent, I logged in and the downloads for Serum FX were there, in "Your Account".

Maybe just making an account with the same email works, and maybe if you already had an account with that email the downloads are already there.

Thanks, i'm using a different email for Splice to Xfer so i wonder if the accounts can be merged. Can't figure out how to install the fx version, just got an fx update in downloads which doesn't do anything. My actual expression:

Here's me posting about how cold and midrangey this synth sounds then i hear this:

Really shows the versatility of the synth IMO, i need to get me some wavetables in there!

[acYm]

Just because you do not understand how Machine/Kontrol works, does not mean it makes no sense, there are lots of things in Serum that can not be automated, maybe it makes no sense to automate them, however, in Maschine/Kontrol when you use the hardware, it uses automatable parameters to assign controls to parameters, so working with Serum is terrible on the hardware, leaving the hardware to go to the mouse and screen, just to change oscillator shapes, massive workflow killer.
Steve Dudas reply to this in emails is "All parameters are automatable" so either he doesn't even know his own synth, or he is using a version that we are not using, or possibly and most likely, has never used Maschine/Kontrol, does not know how they work, and does not care (Can't blame him for that, NI are idiots)

If it was a bunch cheaper, i could see Maschine/Kontrol users maybe giving it a break, but as is, sorry but it doesn't sound as good as the workflow is bad.

In fact all integrated (Not MIDI) hardware controllers use the automatable parameters, so you will not be changing any of these parameters on any controller, and damn if changing an oscillator shape isn't important haha.

How many wavetables do you have? You sound like you might have even more than I do. Even with 3600° rotation in Kore, there's just no way I'd be able to use knobs to select wavetables in a useful manner. I reckon Galbanum alone makes it unfeasible. Nothing short of a natively integrated hardware surface, ala Push 2, could pull that off I think. Many of the best Kore templates (vastly superior system to NI's more recent crap) involve some degree of mousing. The moment you enter a synth like Serum or Massive with hardware, you accept some mousing in the first place because of the mod system. To me Serum ranks among the best synths to program from hardware - especially for good, non-brostep/trap/etc sounds, 95% of which are made with either a saw or a square anyway

[bungle]

The whole point to a 360 encoder is the endless possibility, added with a ten jump shift button, there is no excuse for Osc shape not to be controlled by hardware, to suggest so is utter silliness.

[acYm]

well it never bothered me because like I said, you have to reach for the mouse at some point anyway, and I think a mouse is pretty efficient at quickly going through a folder tree - given the choice I usually just get the mouse for a large, tabbed menu even if I can map it...

for me though, I found mr duda to be mostly receptive to requests related to hardware control...
perhaps he could at least put midi cc on the left/right WT arrows or something.

[Ingonator]

for me though, I found mr duda to be mostly receptive to requests related to hardware control...
perhaps he could at least put midi cc on the left/right WT arrows or something.

I got a Komplete Kontrol S61 keyboard here with both the Maschine 2 and Komplete Kontrol software.

FWIW when doing sound design with plugins i always use the mouse and not a hardware controller.

First i thought flipping through wavetables by a controller is not really possible and I did not really think about the up/down arrows. I also admit that opposing to control the wavetable position within the current table flipping trough the wavetables list with a controller was not something i really thought about so far.

I just tried this with Largo and the wavetable selection with a controller indeed seems to work there with the "Learn" feature for the controller parameters in Maschine 2 (started "Learn" for a certain controller parameter and then selcted a table from the list in Largo). The parameter in Largo seems to be called "Osc 1 Shape". Same also seems to be possible with PPG Wave 3.V and PPG Wave 2.V (at Waldorf Edition 2).
Opposing to some other wavetable synths in Largo ad the PPG2.V/3.V plugins the wavetables seem to be stored with in the plugin DLL and they do not support custom wavetables yet (like in e.g. Serum or Icarus).

In Waves Codex flipping through the factory tables seems to work too (checked with Maschine 2 and also the MIDILearn in Live 9) while there is no list for xustom tables and you have to use teh "Import" button to laod those.

In Serum those up/down arrows indeed do not seem to be possible to be used with automation and also not with the MIDI Learn in Maschine 2. Also tried to Learn the selction like it works in Largo and teh otehr synths mentioend above (activate Learn and select a table from the list) but this does not seem to work too.
Just checked that with the demo from the official website (which is already quite old...) so i do not know how far it could work with the latset version.


Anyway not all wavetable synths seem to have such up/down arrows to switch the wavetables and assigning the wavetable list like it is possible with Largo does also not seem to work for all of them.
FWIW so far it also does not seem to be possible to flip trough the wavetables list in Icarus and also DUNE 2.5 using a hardware controller.