NI have announced they will no longer activate discontinued products

[dellboy]

Discontinuing a product would be a nice get out option for any company.

In this case 20 years.

But what if they change that to 10 years ?

Or five ?

Or ....................................

[EvilDragon]

Nobody expects lifetime support, but you should be able to install software that you own. And in the case of sample libraries I really dont get it

You can still install them, and after May 31st you'll still be able to install them. They just won't be able to be authorized, so they would either run in demo mode, or not run at all.

ha, clearly the point is that they are unuseable, how did that post make it out of your head? Do you honestly think people want to simply install libraries without ever wanting to use them?

Because it's still usable in demo mode - you can use it for 15 minutes which is enough to freeze the tracks at the very least, to keep the project working for posterity.

How did that thought not cross your head, huh?

[EnGee]

Nobody expects lifetime support, but you should be able to install software that you own. And in the case of sample libraries I really dont get it

You can still install them, and after May 31st you'll still be able to install them. They just won't be able to be authorized, so they would either run in demo mode, or not run at all.

ha, clearly the point is that they are unuseable, how did that post make it out of your head? Do you honestly think people want to simply install libraries without ever wanting to use them?

Because it's still usable in demo mode - you can use it for 15 minutes which is enough to freeze the tracks at the very least, to keep the project working for posterity.

How did that thought not cross your head, huh?

Come on now! We are costumers not beggars!

[revvy]

Are you EvilD seriously suggesting that demo mode makes this alright? You work for NI right?

[dellboy]

Because it's still usable in demo mode - you can use it for 15 minutes which is enough to freeze the tracks at the very least, to keep the project working for posterity.

How did that thought not cross your head, huh?

John McEnroe answers............................


"You cannot be serious"

[bmanic]

Because it's still usable in demo mode - you can use it for 15 minutes which is enough to freeze the tracks at the very least, to keep the project working for posterity.

How did that thought not cross your head, huh?

.. wait, you are serious?

[vurt]

Nobody expects lifetime support, but you should be able to install software that you own. And in the case of sample libraries I really dont get it

You can still install them, and after May 31st you'll still be able to install them. They just won't be able to be authorized, so they would either run in demo mode, or not run at all.

ha, clearly the point is that they are unuseable, how did that post make it out of your head? Do you honestly think people want to simply install libraries without ever wanting to use them?

Because it's still usable in demo mode - you can use it for 15 minutes which is enough to freeze the tracks at the very least, to keep the project working for posterity.

How did that thought not cross your head, huh?

cmon...
i mean, just, come on...

[cyberterror]

As I commented earlier, that's NI's problem to solve, their own EULA is pretty clear on this.
Should NI fail to honour their own EULA, one could start by consulting with the appropriate consumer protection institution. This varies by country, european union citizens can find more info here.

[EvilDragon]

Are you EvilD seriously suggesting that demo mode makes this alright?

I am not suggesting that it makes it alright, that is not what I said.

Would you rather not be able to open all your older projects containing affected libraries AT ALL (due to plugin not being authorized), or at least be able to open them so that they still make sounds that the affected products created?

It is by far not an ideal solution, but it is at least something that retains the wholeness of anyone's old DAW projects, at least sound-wise. In my view, it is better than nothing at all. Again, not IDEAL. But better than nothing.

[revvy]

Are you EvilD seriously suggesting that demo mode makes this alright?

I am not suggesting that it makes it alright, that is not what I said.

Would you rather not be able to open all your older projects containing affected libraries AT ALL (due to plugin not being authorized), or at least be able to open them so that they still make sound that the affected products created?

It is by far not an ideal solution, but it is at least something that retains the wholeness of anyone's old DAW projects, at least sound-wise.

Thanks for the reply. Yes, it's better than not being able to hear old projects. But it's absolutely no more than that - it's literally better than nothing.

As was asked above, are we now beggars?

[EvilDragon]

No it doesn't.

Also, you never really own software, so you cannot even call it your property.

[EvilDragon]

I wasn't trying to convince you, just stating a fact. What you do is up to yourself.

[TabSel]

Ed, instead of convincing customers working around their right to use their property, aka their license to use the software, why not put that energy towards NI and convince NI to stay legal, at least customer friendly, instead creating one mess after the other for their customers?

[DarkStar]

i knew I had read it somewhere (my bold emphasis):

End User License Agreement of Native Instruments - April 2009
2. Registration / Activation
...
The Native Instruments activation uses information about essential system components of the user's audio computer encoded in the Activation Request File. This information does not contain any personal data. The Activation Request File will be used to create an activation key, which works only on the computer where the Activation Request File has been generated.

In case you want to use your Native Instruments product on a different computer or in case of certain changes on your present computer a re-activation might become necessary.

Should Native Instruments for whatever reasons no longer be able to fulfill its obligations to deliver the activation key, it will provide the Licensee with a key which ensures the continued use of the software independent of changes of the computer.
...

[EvilDragon]

Ed, instead of convincing customers working around their right to use their property, aka their license to use the software, why not put that energy towards NI and convince NI to stay legal, at least customer friendly, instead creating one mess after the other for their customers?

I'm not even trying to convince anyone here, I said that already. Also I am but one man, why do you think NI listens to me in particular? However NI is definitely reading these discussions and options are being discussed. See the thread on NI forum:

https://www.native-instruments.com/foru ... ies.376981