Why do people use multiple DAWs?

[vurt]

It’s like calling all image files “JPGs”.

you mean bitmaps? wtf is a jpg?

wtf is a jpg? does anyone have a wtf file of who's on third?

theyre headlining, so will be on third.

local band.
international support.
headliner.

thats the rules.

[antic604]

The type of people who use multiple DAWs are the same ones who call all plugins “VSTs”.

How would you call them if you're Windows, non- Pro Tools user?

Plug ins.

But that's a much borader, non-specific term. A plugin is something you "plug" "in" into the DAW, which may include verious extensions, add-ons, scripts, macros. "VST" on the other hand is a very precisely defined type of software, developed & patented by Steinberg and accepted as a standard for decades now.

Obviously I'm exagerrating here, because I don't think I've heard anyone use "plugin" to describe M4L device, Bitwig's script or Studio One's CTC-1, but it's equally silly to get upset about people using the term "VSTs", which is perfectly reasonable and justified.

[revvy]

The type of people who use multiple DAWs are the same ones who call all plugins “VSTs”.

How would you call them if you're Windows, non- Pro Tools user?

Plug ins.

But that's a much borader, non-specific term. A plugin is something you "plug" "in" into the DAW, which may include verious extensions, add-ons, scripts, macros. "VST" on the other hand is a very precisely defined type of software, developed & patented by Steinberg and accepted as a standard for decades now.

Obviously I'm exagerrating here, because I don't think I've heard anyone use "plugin" to describe M4L device, Bitwig's script or Studio One's CTC-1, but it's equally silly to get upset about people using the term "VSTs", which is perfectly reasonable and justified.

Plug ins. Not upset.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Hope you enjoy all the Wordpress results you get from google when you search for plugins.

[jancivil]

"VSTs" all the time chafes a little here, only due to confounding species with genre...
I'd imagine if someone said "AUs" instead of *plugins* there will be a windows-platform adherent that doesn't like that.
Donno if there's a type that does either, ie., with attributes of type or not, per se

[whyterabbyt]

it's equally silly to get upset about people using the term "VSTs", which is perfectly reasonable and justified.

I think you're overlooking how important this is. Of all the injustices in the world, using 'VST' as a generic term is where he chose to draw his line in the sand, to make his righteous stand, to tilt against the dark satanic windmills of oppression. He's been doing it for years, and this year, of all years its clearly more important than ever.
You should be show him the support he deserves.

[revvy]

Hope you enjoy all the Wordpress results you get from google when you search for plugins.

You search for 'plug-ins'? Weird, I generally search the name of the plug in, protip right there.

[antic604]

Hope you enjoy all the Wordpress results you get from google when you search for plugins.

You search for 'plug-ins'? Weird, I generally search the name of the plug in, protip right there.

What if you're looking for a name of a plugin that does certain thing, like mulit FX, or EQ, or dynamic compressor.

[antic604]

it's equally silly to get upset about people using the term "VSTs", which is perfectly reasonable and justified.

I think you're overlooking how important this is. Of all the injustices in the world, using 'VST' as a generic term is where he chose to draw his line in the sand, to make his righteous stand, to tilt against the dark satanic windmills of oppression. He's been doing it for years, and this year, of all years its clearly more important than ever.
You should be show him the support he deserves.

Well, I guess in a post-modernist, intersectional and deconstructionist view of the world it's really unjust to call all plugins "VSTs", because there are AUs, AAXs, REs. Worse still, I'm sure there are non-binary (non-quadruplary??) plugins out there, that are thus being marginalised and lived experience of people using them is being ignored. Good he problematicised it, because we're just not seeing our privilege and perpetuate the opressive hierarchy.

F**ck, it's so tiring to talk like this

[kgbrolic]

The type of people who use multiple DAWs are the same ones who call all plugins “VSTs”.

The type of people who make comments like that are the same ones who think all plugins are for audio applications.

[transmisser]

I started with Logic, but I since I started doing more Vlog / Podcast work I've felt a bit limited with it's capabilities. I started using Reaper and it's ticking all the boxes for me so far. The level of customization can be overwhelming at first, but I'm hooked now that I've spent some time with it. I'm also using Ableton at times.

I use Ableton and Logic for creating and Reaper for Mixing / Mastering now.

[machinesworking]

I started with Logic, but I since I started doing more Vlog / Podcast work I've felt a bit limited with it's capabilities. I started using Reaper and it's ticking all the boxes for me so far. The level of customization can be overwhelming at first, but I'm hooked now that I've spent some time with it. I'm also using Ableton at times.

I use Ableton and Logic for creating and Reaper for Mixing / Mastering now.

Curious about what you think is limiting about Logic in terms of the work you're doing?
My only big complaint with Logic is the lack of per port assignment ability with soft synths. So multitrack recording or just setting up the Linnstrument and the Akai MPK88 here means one isn't going to be armed. I wish they would fix that, it's a fantastic DAW otherwise, now with Clips, Sculpture and Alchemy.

Reapers bounce options are amazing though, and I like resizable mixer faders! I've got a Raven touch screen here, and it doesn't matter at all that it's not optimized for the raven, only single touch, always great to mix in.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Found another reason to use Reaper recently as I’ve been using VCV Rack more and more and wanted an easy way to record it and process individual VCVRack outputs and the ASIO ReaRoute driver makes this a breeze. Admittedly I haven’t tried using ReaRoute with other DAWs and that may be possible, but I use Reaper for stem mastering anyway.

[transmisser]

Curious about what you think is limiting about Logic in terms of the work you're doing?
My only big complaint with Logic is the lack of per port assignment ability with soft synths. So multitrack recording or just setting up the Linnstrument and the Akai MPK88 here means one isn't going to be armed. I wish they would fix that, it's a fantastic DAW otherwise, now with Clips, Sculpture and Alchemy.

Reapers bounce options are amazing though, and I like resizable mixer faders! I've got a Raven touch screen here, and it doesn't matter at all that it's not optimized for the raven, only single touch, always great to mix in.

My biggest gripe is the clip gain workflow. If I'm working on spoken dialogue and I want to level dynamic passages, I have to cut every section so clip gain only affects those regions. Logic almost has it right in that it updates the waveforms as you increase / decrease clip gain (which is super important to me). Having to cut everything is extremely cumbersome though, especially when I'm on a deadline. Oh, and you need to use a drop down menu in the track inspector on the left to adjust clip gain. With Reaper, you can use the gain envelope which functions kind of like an automation lane in Logic, but updates the waveform as you make adjustments. No cutting of the audio file necessary and I can adjust the gain right on the waveform (not some drop down menu on the left side of the screen).

Another one is slip editing - It's just a lot more intuitive for me in Reaper. It's completely subjective, but when I first started with Reaper I naturally tried holding option + drag on a waveform and it friggin' worked. I've come to find out that Logic does offer slip editing, but what I have watched / read about it seems a lot more involved. It doesn't appear that you can drag, but instead the slip edit motion is tied to a nudge value? I'll give Logic the benefit of the doubt for now, but I need to do more research.

The biggest one though is the broken plugin delay compensation in Logic. Considering that it seems a lot of it's users are doing electronic music, I'm really surprised they haven't fixed it. Side chain timing gets all messed up and automation doesn't print accurately in some cases. Logic is my first DAW, so I'll always use it, but these issues are starting to annoy me as I've gotten more experienced.

The resizable mix faders are a big one for Reaper! I'm not squinting anymore . I'm still getting used to the Windows XP vibe, but Reaper's deep customization is making up for that. I'm debating whether or not to keep using the stock V6 theme, or something else.

I haven't run into the port assignment issue with Logic, but that's a drag. I have Logic send a clock sync out to my MPC Live and that acts as the brain for my outboard synths. It's been great so far for tracking multiple things at once.

[andypryce]

Calling them all VST (though the correct term is VSTi) usually does not bother me unless a Logic Pro youtuber uses it. That sounds disturbing and instantly makes me skip the video