Where is Cubase 12.5 or 13? [Update: It's here C13 is released!]

[PAK]

Little bit of a backstory has come up on asknet too:
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/pr ... t-scammers

Wow. That adds quite some context to likely reasons for why these events are happening..

I'd doubt Cubase 13 will be released, before November now, given this (Unless they've been working on a new store for many weeks prior)

On the plus side for them - at least it provides the opportunity to use Steinberg accounts for purchases, rather than requiring a different "Steinberg Store" account. I don't think that ever made sense to users..

[jancivil]

As long as we're bringing in personal aesthetics as though a type of metric...

Linear/pattern-based paradigm, workflow, routing, well designed implementations of features like Freeze and Key Editor... those are the things I talked about, and none of those is a matter of aesthetics.

How obtuse. Pattern-based vs linear composition is strictly from a type of aesthetic. I was reacting to a trend in the thread towards <Cubase needs to get with the program, "modern production workflow"> and merely spun off of a particular post you happened to make in this context. Fine, people go for a mode of working I don't, but here's an expectation "Cubase" needs to be more of a "Bitwig" or whatever, which is from an aesthetic POV. And so be it, if it does adapt as such, I don't have to buy it.

When I see* "Euclidean rhythm" as something deemed necessary

I mentioned that because someone wondered why anyone would use a dedicated vst, instead of Cubase's Drum Editor [...]

I never said it was "necessary".

It is, however, an alternative to traditional step sequencing.

In general that is my attitude towards the thing.
If it's a feature in a plugin it's been deemed "necessary" somewhere along the line. You mentioned it, and *I'd seen what I'd seen.
The whole idea of it is abstraction to mathematics of *traditional rhythms*, it adds nothing in itself to the repository of available rhythm. Or to the understanding of such. No idea what step sequencing traditions exist.

[woodsdenis]

viewtopic.php?t=601973 this answers the OP question. With Asknet going bust it's going to take time for SB to come up with an alternative solution.

[Famous Last Words]

I was reacting to a trend in the thread towards <Cubase needs to get with the program, "modern production workflow"> and merely spun off of a particular post you happened to make in this context. Fine, people go for a mode of working I don't, but here's an expectation "Cubase" needs to be more of a "Bitwig" or whatever, which is from an aesthetic POV. And so be it, if it does adapt as such, I don't have to buy it.

There are seemingly endless posts on the Cubase forums practically demanding that Steinberg add "clip launching" features to Cubase Pro. The thing is, no one seems to be able to articulate exactly why this would be a good thing, let alone "necessary."

Cubase Pro 12 (my current DAW) already suffers from legacy bloat, outdated core features, and incongruous UI elements. I would so much rather see Steinberg revamp these parts of the program than bolt on a stupid, pointless clip launcher.

If this is really your bag, then use Live or Bitwig. It's that simple. Why ruin Cubase for your own misguided, selfish reasons?

[wangeroge]

Cubase Pro 12 (my current DAW) already suffers from legacy bloat, outdated core features, and incongruous UI elements. I would so much rather see Steinberg revamp these parts of the program than bolt on a stupid, pointless clip launcher.

I have some good news for you! The UI is getting streamlined. There have already been leaks.

[sqigls]

maybe a stupid question, but what is a "clip launcher"?

[EnGee]

maybe a stupid question, but what is a "clip launcher"?

This:

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For me, it is a very useful tool. Logic has it as well, not only Bitwig and Ableton Live. But it is not essential for my music, although very helpful. I can do without in Cubase.

My number one request for Cubase is to enhance performance and make it on par with Reaper and Bitwig on Windows. Now it is shitty on Windows, so I don't use it usually. I hope ver 13 will be different in this.

[sqigls]

oh ok, so it's the only side of Ableton Live that i actually use. The session view. For my live set sets.

yeah not sure about making Cubase all things to all people. Just get Live. That's what it does.
If it's stable then might be good, i guess it's inevitable, Cubase is already so bloated though.
Stability is all i'm worried about nowadays. Had enough of the crashy Cubase days.

[EnGee]

I agree. Stability and enhanced performance come first and before any new feature.

[thebutler]

For me, it is a very useful tool. Logic has it as well, not only Bitwig and Ableton Live.

And also, Acoustica Mixcraft has its 'Performance Panel' equivalent for a while now and Avid (who'd have thought) have just introduced Pro Tools 'Sketch' as an add-on for their desktop apps. So, its become more popular 'across the board'. Its a given way of working and has its place, absolutely.

I'm with you and a lot of others though in that there are more crucial things needing to be worked on in Cubase first, ahead of this type of 'additional toolset'. Yeah, its clear it would be a 'nice to have' for a lot of other Cubase folk too. But 'essential/necessary'..? I dunno...

Besides if the leaks we've all seen are to be believed, it ain't going to be C13 anyway.

[xbitz]

IMO the scratchpad is more useful for non-real-time or non-live situations than the clip launcher

especially after the 'sync'' mode is introduced (like a scene launcher) but depends on your workflow ofc.

[Famous Last Words]

For me, it is a very useful tool. Logic has it as well, not only Bitwig and Ableton Live.

I was a long, LONG time user of "Logic" going all the way back to the very first version of C-Lab Creator on the Atari 1040ST. But by 2010 or so Apple hadn't released an updated version of Logic in over 3 years and Apple's pro computer lineup was absolutely pathetic (and absurdly overpriced). So I built my own PC and switched to Cubase Pro. I'm now back on an M2 Mac Studio Ultra. But not Logic.

That's because Apple has made a bottom line-driven, craven nod to EDM and Hip-Hop "producers" (i.e, people who can't play an instrument and don't know anything about actual music). The new "clip launcher" view in Logic is such a sad, totally unnecessary embarrassment. I realize Apple was feeling the heat from Ableton and Bitwig because we now live in a world where it's perfectly acceptable to be a totally incompetent musician and still call yourself a "songwriter." Apple obviously goes where the money goes.

But at least Steinberg and Presonsus are holding the line for now. They actually seem to want real musicians to use their DAWs and not talentless DJs. But it's probably inevitable that these two companies will cave to the sample pack using, chord progression "borrowing," laptop jockeys. What a world we live in. All you need is a cracked copy of Fruityloops and someone else to write your music and you too can be a chart-topping "artist."

[Synthman2000]

For me, it is a very useful tool. Logic has it as well, not only Bitwig and Ableton Live.

I was a long, LONG time user of "Logic" going all the way back to the very first version of C-Lab Creator on the Atari 1040ST. But by 2010 or so Apple hadn't released an updated version of Logic in over 3 years and Apple's pro computer lineup was absolutely pathetic (and absurdly overpriced). So I built my own PC and switched to Cubase Pro. I'm now back on an M2 Mac Studio Ultra. But not Logic.

That's because Apple has made a bottom line-driven, craven nod to EDM and Hip-Hop "producers" (i.e, people who can't play an instrument and don't know anything about actual music). The new "clip launcher" view in Logic is such a sad, totally unnecessary embarrassment. I realize Apple was feeling the heat from Ableton and Bitwig because we now live in a world where it's perfectly acceptable to be a totally incompetent musician and still call yourself a "songwriter." Apple obviously goes where the money goes.

But at least Steinberg and Presonsus are holding the line for now. They actually seem to want real musicians to use their DAWs and not talentless DJs. But it's probably inevitable that these two companies will cave to the sample pack using, chord progression "borrowing," laptop jockeys. What a world we live in. All you need is a cracked copy of Fruityloops and someone else to write your music and you too can be a chart-topping "artist."

If something does not suit your high level of musicianship find what does.

There are people making great music who cannot pick up a guitar and play and sing a song. Their DAW music is not somehow invalidated, if people are listening and enjoying the music what is the problem ?

There are competent musicians who cannot write music themselves. Complex music does not mean good music, simple music does not mean bad music and vice versa in both cases.

Not everyone has the skill, ability or time to learn to play an instrument, or prefer to compose entire musical pieces instead of strum a guitar on their own in a room might not want to play in a band.

It is ridiculous to think that only someone who can play an instrument is capable of making worthy music. Music that would never existed has been made since the advent of the DAW.

Feeling threatened somehow ? Well if we are to believe what we are told, soon AI will be making music that will be better than anything we can do and that includes people who strum, blow and finger. Personally I feel this is unlikely to hit the creative, compositional and technical mark many discerning musicians, muso's etc. require to be sated. At least for a long time.

I have gone a bit OT but with everything AI, read between the lines, between how everything AI is presented to consumers.

[skijumptoes]

But at least Steinberg and Presonsus are holding the line for now. They actually seem to want real musicians to use their DAWs and not talentless DJs. But it's probably inevitable that these two companies will cave to the sample pack using, chord progression "borrowing," laptop jockeys.

Cubase has a sampler track & chord pads, and both S1 and Cubase have chord track, chord assistants and integrated MIDI loops within those functions too, and have done for years.

Ironically, Logic doesn't have any chord progression or chord track tools that users can use as a crutch.

[Famous Last Words]

If something does not suit your high level of musicianship find what does.

There are people making great music who cannot pick up a guitar and play and sing a song. Their DAW music is not somehow invalidated, if people are listening and enjoying the music what is the problem ?

There are competent musicians who cannot write music themselves. Complex music does not mean good music, simple music does not mean bad music and vice versa in both cases.

Not everyone has the skill, ability or time to learn to play an instrument, or prefer to compose entire musical pieces instead of strum a guitar on their own in a room might not want to play in a band.

It is ridiculous to think that only someone who can play an instrument is capable of making worthy music. Music that would never existed has been made since the advent of the DAW.

Feeling threatened somehow ? Well if we are to believe what we are told, soon AI will be making music that will be better than anything we can do and that includes people who strum, blow and finger. Personally I feel this is unlikely to hit the creative, compositional and technical mark many discerning musicians, muso's etc. require to be sated. At least for a long time.

I have gone a bit OT but with everything AI, read between the lines, between how everything AI is presented to consumers.

You are absolutely right that AI will eventually (though perhaps not "soon") be able to write more evocative, profound, popular music than any "meat bag" biological organism. Will that be the end of human composition? Probably not. I know for an absolute fact that I will never be as good a songwriter as John Lennon or be able to write such witty, hilariously heartfelt lyrics as Morrissey. But that doesn't mean I still don't aspire to those heights and thoroughly enjoy the process of trying to achieve them.

But these pathetic, incompetent "musicians" don't even know what a good song is. So how can they aspire to create something worth listening to? That's fine if they get their jollies launching clips and twiddling knobs. But just don't pretend it's music. It's dumbed down bullshit and everyone with any integrity knows it (or at least should if they have an ounce of intelligence and/or talent).