Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[dune_rave]

Has anyone else noticed that there are no Serial numbers next to their products on this page anymore?
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/m ... downloads/

Is this a recent thing? I have products that I have not activated but there is no serial next to them anymore. Also no serials on other products further down the long list of products that I have already registered.

On the drop down menu on the top right I think it used to say My Products and Serials and now it says only My Products.

Dunno this screen, but on license transfer page you can see serials

[Sindikhate]

Has anyone else noticed that there are no Serial numbers next to their products on this page anymore?
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/m ... downloads/

Is this a recent thing? I have products that I have not activated but there is no serial next to them anymore. Also no serials on other products further down the long list of products that I have already registered.

On the drop down menu on the top right I think it used to say My Products and Serials and now it says only My Products.

Dunno this screen, but on livmcense transfer page you can see serials

Yes the serials are on the transfer license page indeed. But there are no serials on the My products page anymore. I have 5/6 products that I have not registered and there are no serials on the whole page.

[Touch The Universe]

Explains Absynth. They are desperate to return to their original model as a last resort.

[glokraw]

A decent variety of controllers for midi and guitar could be dongles for Komplete or various parts of Komplete, without the burden of Native Access. SSD/SD/usb onboard makes a lot of things possible, without breaking the bank. A lot of that design work has already been created by NI and sold in one form or another, with some half-hearted marketing effort. These days, there are many more tablets, small-form computers, and sundry synth/midi-hardware controllers available for creative bundles. Time will tell.

[DrGonzo]

Oh shit. I didn't think of that. What of the NKS format...

[Sascha Franck]

Everyone seems to forget that plenty of companies file for bankruptcy in order to survive, and that most come out the other side. Roli is a good example. It's a bump in the road, not the end of the world.

Well, with NI it's been multiple times already. The fish is rotting from the head here, so the head needs to be cut off once and forever, if anything should help.

[digitalboytn]

I was thinking that too but then heard some demos of new instruments like the Diamond elec piano and the new Session Percussionist. Both I found fantastic. All of the Session instruments are excellent. As still Abbey Roads drums etc. But a lot is fluff.

So how much are home music makers using AI over their plugins today?

Diamond is pretty mid to my ears. If someone wants something Rhodes like but not really Rhodes, sure. But I just don't find it's sound appealing.

Session Percussionist seems okay, but a Session Drummer would have been much more useful and popular, which should have been very obvious to NI.

Abbey Road Drums sound nice. But like functionality of many other drum samplers, they they aren't equipped to provide a means for someone who doesn't play drums to easily put together drums parts for their music (Session Drummer? Hello), and they aren't equipped with MIDI input processing for setting them up to be played well. They're really just a set of sounds to maybe be triggered by MIDI loops, after you find some loops, possibly having to remap them, deal with sorting through them for use with your current piece of music, and editing to better fit your music, or to be used as a set of sounds for playing crudely from a controller. A sampled drum kit for playing should provide a good velocity tool per articulation for getting the response dialed in and a tool for dialing in hi-hat control from a keyboard, pads, or e-drums hi-hat controller. Of course, these issues aren't unique to Abbey Road Drums.

I thought the same and passed on Diamond. Then I heard a guy play 3 chords of a Diamond patch and THAT was the vintage Rhodes sound I've been looking for! It's a very DI amp sound, not chimey. I think the patch is "Blue" or something.

I think that this Rhodes is pretty decent

No bean counters involved

https://etiroads.wordpress.com/home_en/

[bnz]

Isn't asking for downloads and serial numbers pretty pointless? From what I know, NI always needs Internet and the NI servers for machine activation. So if the NI servers for downloads and activation don't run, we are out of luck for new installations to my understanding. Am I wrong? I mean, I hope I'm wrong.

[Sascha Franck]

Isn't asking for downloads and serial numbers pretty pointless? From what I know, NI always needs Internet and the NI servers for machine activation. So if the NI servers for downloads and activation don't run, we are out of luck for new installations to my understanding. Am I wrong? I mean, I hope I'm wrong.

This is precisely why people are worrying so much. Because even if you'd be willing to get away with your software not being updated anymore (which will eventually break it at one point in time should Windows or macOS see significantly structural changes, macOS obviously being a way likelier victim...), being tied to some authorisation servers to work would break things the very day you'd decide to reorganize things (as in modifying your computer) or purchase a new machine.

[ATS]

Explains Absynth. They are desperate to return to their original model as a last resort.

That worked for me since I planned on update to the new Komplete when it comes out.

[Sascha Franck]

I think that this Rhodes is pretty decent

No bean counters involved

https://etiroads.wordpress.com/home_en/

DUDE! Not only that this possibly isn't the best time to post Kontakt freebies (which could possibly be rendered unusable should things really go down the sh***er) - no, I'm now reading the thesis of the guy who sampled that Rhodes. Damn you!

[kenny saunders]

for anyone interested this is a live discussion from one of the Spitfire founders about the whole NI situation:

[digitalboytn]

I think that this Rhodes is pretty decent

No bean counters involved

https://etiroads.wordpress.com/home_en/

DUDE! Not only that this possibly isn't the best time to post Kontakt freebies (which could possibly be rendered unusable should things really go down the sh***er) - no, I'm now reading the thesis of the guy who sampled that Rhodes. Damn you!

Kontakt is a great sampler player with excellent streaming capabilities....

Really good....

But everybody is talking like this is the end of Native Instruments and the end of the world...

People need to relax a little,take a few deep breaths and get rid of the anxiety....

Stress is not good for you and people are making this situation worse than it really is...

All we're seeing is a change of management and whoever takes over the reins in whatever form the liquidators decide, is not going to ditch most of the products because the're good...

It just that the clowns in the management section were paying themselves too much for being the experts and doing sweet FA...

So someone smart will step in and fire all of those dicks at the top of the totem pole and right the ship...

There's a few things that need to change,but they should start with the management....

Getting back to that Rhodes...

It's a beauty and one of the great things about it is that the samples are not protected,so if push came to shove,you could convert to use in another sample player and give the guy at ETI the credit and send him a copy of your work as a thank you

[Songwriter101]

We'll see. For now, it is not as bad as it seems. They pulled the trigger timely and now have the chance to restructure the company and put it back on its feet.

What many people miss is that in this new Zeitgeist you have to respect and have a direct connection to your fans and customers. Of course NI is much bigger than Klanghelm, Valhalla DSP or Toneboosters but even bigger companies have to realize, it is not about the product only anymore. The market is saturated to its limit and the only thing you can rise above the competition is to let the consumer feel that you care deeply. You can only do that with 1 core message and steadfast principles which NI did in the 90s and 2000s 100%. This has been abandoned since the big acquisitions for sure.

The music market in general is very small. I don't have the numbers here but IIRC EVERYTHING combined in the music market is a tiny fraction of an automobile company for example.

Let's say it is not only about the product (which should be a good product of course), the question is how can you grow a community or bring people together and be a platform for music and connection. People care if you care and money follows suit. Me, for sure dig the way scandinavian audio companies develop and present their stuff. There is a certain logic in development and care in the product design. e.g.

How about a modern Kontakt 9 or 10, which does not rely on compatibility but a new eco-system with modern stuff under the hood. Let Kontakt 3-8 handle the compatibility, make a cut and ameliorate a clean new version.

[agharta]

Has anyone else noticed that there are no Serial numbers next to their products on this page anymore?
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/m ... downloads/

Is this a recent thing? I have products that I have not activated but there is no serial next to them anymore. Also no serials on other products further down the long list of products that I have already registered.

On the drop down menu on the top right I think it used to say My Products and Serials and now it says only My Products.

The unactivated licences should hopefully still show up in NA where they can be activated.
So you don't need a serial number to activate them.