AI disqualifies anyone as a musician! It's like playback.

[Zeisner]

Yea I do as well, even though I wasn't on good terms with the guy.

He's still there, using his alt account "VOODOO U". Have fun.

[Hipster Bales]

So, you want a trumpet track for your song. You organise for someone to come in and add the track. They turn up with Suno and a laptop. How do you feel?

"get the f**k out of my house with your shit"

No I'm kidding, I'd politely ask them to leave.

Why? Are you a trumpet player? And not only that, but one of the best trumpet players out there? If not, then how can you judge? That's the whole point of what TheMaestro wrote about.

Let me add another analogy. Imagine you break your leg because you fell from your bike. The ambulance carries you to the next hospital. The doctor looks at you and decides to have your healthy arm amputated while ignoring your broken leg. You complain to the doctor and he just replies with "Are you a doctor?" and continues preparing for the amputation.

OK I can't argue with that. I forgot to mention I'd hire a session musician.

[VOODOO U]

Yea I do as well, even though I wasn't on good terms with the guy.

He's still there, using his alt account "VOODOO U". Have fun.

Rubbish. What f**king makes you f**king think I'm f**king BONES for f**king f**ks sake? Are you f**king dumb? Did you f**king f**k out of f**king bed and f**k all to f**k?

[Hipster Bales]

Yea I do as well, even though I wasn't on good terms with the guy.

He's still there, using his alt account "VOODOO U". Have fun.

Rubbish. What f**king makes you f**king think I'm f**king BONES for f**king f**ks sake? Are you f**king dumb? Did you f**king f**k out of f**king bed and f**k all to f**k?

Watch your language! Toilet mouth.

[Seafire Mk2]

Also, ad hominem isn't exactly clever, it just makes you look like a tosser and a clown, and it doesn't add anything meaningful to the table.

Quite the potty mouth you have there young man. Mind it doesn't earn you a suspension...

[Hipster Bales]

Also, ad hominem isn't exactly clever, it just makes you look like a tosser and a clown, and it doesn't add anything meaningful to the table.

Quite the potty mouth you have there young man. Mind it doesn't earn you a suspension...

I'm just being a Brit LOL, it's part of our daily vocab.

At least I'm not this guy

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[Zeisner]

OK I can't argue with that.

Technically you could. If you decide that that's the reason why you're in this forum...

I forgot to mention I'd hire a session musician.

I would do the same. Because (and here it goes back to the actual topic) generative AI sucks horribly. It's much worse than any form of playback (Sampling!). But for multiples of the cost of a professional session player and sample library combined. You can render with generative AI until the death of our sun, you won't get anything out of it that sounds real.

[guitarzan]

Haven’t checked up on it lately… apparently Google’s Producer AI is now called Google Flow. Still sounds fairly realistic to me:

https://www.flowmusic.app/song/081c2f3e ... 959c02007c

[VOODOO U]

Because (and here it goes back to the actual topic) generative AI sucks horribly.

So do generative human organisms (which would explain why generative A.I. "sucks" if that's what you accept).
Just ask any former A&R rep that worked for a label stupid enough to accept unsolicited material and they'll tell you the countless hours they spent listening to thousands of submissions to hopefully get *ONE* f**king jackpot. And by jackpot I mean only three songs tops (if that).

But for multiples of the cost of a professional session player and sample library combined.

Am I understanding this correctly? You're saying the monthly cost for using generative A.I. costs more than the cost of a sample library *and* hiring a *professional* session player? What "professional" session players have you hired? In my experience they cost more than buying a new Cessna.

You can render with generative AI until the death of our sun, you won't get anything out of it that sounds real.

That's a flat out inexperienced lie. I know what you're attempting to say, what you mean to say is the characteristic of an A.I. generated song is easily identifiable but so what. When you hear a Rolling Stones song, it's easily identifiable. When you hear an Enya song, it's easily identifiable. When you hear Mariah Carey sing, it's easily identifiable. Now what? They're not "real" because they can be identified?