Now that I've had a look at the cancelled audio...jupiter8 wrote:Just tried it in Cubase SX 3 and it canceled out completly against the Podium reference track.
No I can't be bothered doing your test. I've adequately proven that a difference exists between Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and at least one other host at level of summing alone (the subject of the thread), and that that difference exists in the domain of the hearable (-70dB), and I've presented the evidence and the source of the evidence for other people to try for themselves using Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and any hosts they like.stefancrs wrote:Which indicates that the difference between SX1 and Samplitude7 is bigger than the difference between any of the following:
Podium, EnergyXT, Tracktion 1.6 and Vegas.
Which, imho, in turn indicates that either you are doing something wrong, or Samplitude or SX1 is. Have you tested doing the same but rendering to 32bit float? If not, how do the two hosts do the truncation to 24bit? (I seriously doubt that's the source of the error though, since Vegas output was very close to the other hosts)
It'd be good if someone could do the tests with the same test data as the ones we've used so far. The only significant difference between the two tests is that in "my" test, we're using more tracks.
Correctamundo.stefancrs wrote:This was the 0dB faders one, right jupiter8?jupiter8 wrote:Just tried it in Cubase SX 3 and it canceled out completly against the Podium reference track.
so there is hope for me that it is not just imagination, that I think to hear differences between Cubase and Samplitude in complete mixes...HanafiH wrote:No I can't be bothered doing your test. I've adequately proven that a difference exists between Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and at least one other host at level of summing alone (the subject of the thread), and that that difference exists in the domain of the hearable (-70dB), and I've presented the evidence and the source of the evidence for other people to try for themselves using Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and any hosts they like.stefancrs wrote:Which indicates that the difference between SX1 and Samplitude7 is bigger than the difference between any of the following:
Podium, EnergyXT, Tracktion 1.6 and Vegas.
Which, imho, in turn indicates that either you are doing something wrong, or Samplitude or SX1 is. Have you tested doing the same but rendering to 32bit float? If not, how do the two hosts do the truncation to 24bit? (I seriously doubt that's the source of the error though, since Vegas output was very close to the other hosts)
It'd be good if someone could do the tests with the same test data as the ones we've used so far. The only significant difference between the two tests is that in "my" test, we're using more tracks.
If you want to fart around with Podium, that's your pleasure. And I'm sure it is too.
That's all perfectly fine by me. Jens will hopefully come around later onHanafiH wrote:No I can't be bothered doing your test. I've adequately proven that a difference exists between Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and at least one other host at level of summing alone (the subject of the thread), and that that difference exists in the domain of the hearable (-70dB), and I've presented the evidence and the source of the evidence for other people to try for themselves using Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and any hosts they like.stefancrs wrote:Which indicates that the difference between SX1 and Samplitude7 is bigger than the difference between any of the following:
Podium, EnergyXT, Tracktion 1.6 and Vegas.
Which, imho, in turn indicates that either you are doing something wrong, or Samplitude or SX1 is. Have you tested doing the same but rendering to 32bit float? If not, how do the two hosts do the truncation to 24bit? (I seriously doubt that's the source of the error though, since Vegas output was very close to the other hosts)
It'd be good if someone could do the tests with the same test data as the ones we've used so far. The only significant difference between the two tests is that in "my" test, we're using more tracks.
If you want to fart around with Podium, that's your pleasure. And I'm sure it is too.
There sure is. We'll see later on how Samplitude compares to Podium/EnergyXT/SX3/Vegas/Tracktion. If the difference is anywhere near the -70dB mark that Hanafih got, it's quite likely that there's a bug somewhere in the Samplitude signal chain.hifiboom wrote:so there is hope for me that it is not just imagination, that I think to hear differences between Cubase and Samplitude in complete mixes...
you mean Samplitude alters the sound, but all others not?stefancrs wrote:There sure is. We'll see later on how Samplitude compares to Podium/EnergyXT/SX3/Vegas/Tracktion. If the difference is anywhere near the -70dB mark that Hanafih got, it's quite likely that there's a bug somewhere in the Samplitude signal chain.hifiboom wrote:so there is hope for me that it is not just imagination, that I think to hear differences between Cubase and Samplitude in complete mixes...
Not that i give a shit about this conversation, but IMO you really haven't proven anything unless someone can fully inspect the process, settings and configurations involved in your obtaining your result.HanafiH wrote: I've adequately proven that a difference exists between Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and at least one other host at level of summing alone (the subject of the thread), and that that difference exists in the domain of the hearable (-70dB), and I've presented the evidence and the source of the evidence for other people to try for themselves using Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and any hosts they like.
quite interested in the results...stefancrs wrote:Yes. But we'll have to wait and see.
I have a concern with your test.stefancrs wrote: That's all perfectly fine by me. Jens will hopefully come around later on
Well the original source material I processed is provided in the wav package. If somebody feels my methodology was at fault, and that's a possibilty but I don't think so at this point, they can duplicate my test and proove what that problem was. This is basic experimental method. Sorry if's not good enough for you.Penis Arcade wrote:Not that i give a shit about this conversation, but IMO you really haven't proven anything unless someone can fully inspect the process, settings and configurations involved in your obtaining your result.HanafiH wrote: I've adequately proven that a difference exists between Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and at least one other host at level of summing alone (the subject of the thread), and that that difference exists in the domain of the hearable (-70dB), and I've presented the evidence and the source of the evidence for other people to try for themselves using Samplitude (the subject of the thread) and any hosts they like.
And there's quite a difference between you claiming what you did, and it actually being observed and idependently verified that you did as you claimed.
I am sure your results are good enough for you, but thats hardly a position of scientific objectivity.
Just an observation.
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