What is the difference between music and noise? [years-dead slappyfight revived]

[knockman]

Part of the brain known as shatner's bassoon determines whether its music or noise.

[debra1rlo]

Part of the brain known as shatner's bassoon determines whether its music or noise.

[mellotronaut]

i haven't read the 22 pages before this one, but the only difference that makes sense to me, is:

'music' is intentionally done, 'noise' isn't

[eduardo_b]

i haven't read the 22 pages before this one, but the only difference that makes sense to me, is:

'music' is intentionally done, 'noise' isn't

Then how would you account for accidental, unintended music as part of the creative process.

I think, really, in the end the listener will decide if what they hear is music or noise -- no matter what others have to say about it.

[rbarata]

I haven't read all the thread also. But I think this is a useless discussion...in my oppinion, of course.But I can see not all people has the same oppinion as me. Just like music...to me some "music" is noise while it's not to others...and vice-versa!

[Ogg Vorbis]

nevermind...

[eduardo_b]

Is this needless discussion still going? While arguing what is music and what isn't, people continue enjoying musically what they enjoy, and arguing over simple labeling won't change anything, except the amount of your wasted time.

We already said it: Music is whatever makes sense to you in the range 20Hz to 20kHz. Music is sound that you make intentionally and organize in some way, apparent or not. Music is whatever you choose to call that way and whoever disagree is wrong and you can tell them to go screw themselves.

Thread over. Dear moderators, please, close this ridiculous time-eating hole and help people to focus on making and investigating their music.

Wait a minute, that's supposed to settle everything? You said the word "you" three times in your definition and we still haven't uncovered the fascinating aspects of which side of the sound defines the experience of music..."you" the composer? "You" the listener? Is it an agreement between the two or is it "imposed" by the composer/producer or is it "decided" by the listener?

As far as the value of this discussion, it's not getting in the way of my own musical production. I can shop for shoes and wear shoes at the same time, thanks for your concern.

Plus, it is an exploration. Challenging assumptions and axioms is very good for the art. It can clear away debris and bring clarity. Being curious and looking underneath assumptions is perhaps unfashionable, but some of us still like it.

Here we are in the 21st century and we are still wearing the stale old clothes of 19th century assumptions about art and artists. We still parrot the same old cliches that music "conveys" the "inner emotions" of the composer and that the audience "receives" the message (or they don't get it). We still talk of "the masses" who are simple single brain-cell consumers of mighty artistic visions hatched from Mount Olympus.

Somehow "intent" or "organization" is all that's needed to define music or separate it from noise.

Here's what I think is the bad news for all of us great artists...THE AUDIENCE IS IN CONTROL. They decide what's good, bad, music, noise, emotional, enduring or ephemeral. They vote with their money, their ears and their mouse clicks. What takes place in the brain of an individual when someone forms a unique relationship with sound is a beautiful and psychospiritual mystery and a topic worth 5,000 pages on a forum.

If you don't dig it, don't participate.

THREAD ON

The audience is in control. Noise isn't music if they say it isn't, and they decide what noise is. The good news for artists, however, is there's enough people out there that one person's noise is another's music. So there's always an audience...even if it's small.

[Ogg Vorbis]

The audience is in control. Noise isn't music if they say it isn't, and they decide what noise is. The good news for artists, however, is there's enough people out there that one person's noise is another's music. So there's always an audience...even if it's small.

Ha ha!! Yeah Eduardo!

[robogone]

The audience is in control.

Sure, whenever I go on stage I just throw my instruments to the audience and go and have a pint while they play the gig for me.

[vurt]

the audience decides nothing.
other than whether they "enjoy" something.
other than that they are just, well, there.

[eduardo_b]

The audience is in control.

Sure, whenever I go on stage I just throw my instruments to the audience and go and have a pint while they play the gig for me.

Easy money. Or, money for nothin' and the chicks are free.

[eduardo_b]

the audience decides nothing.
other than whether they "enjoy" something.
other than that they are just, well, there.

So the artist doesn't need the audience? Does a painter need someone to see his/her work?

The answer is no...unless the artist wants to make a living with his/her work.

[robogone]

The audience is in control.

Sure, whenever I go on stage I just throw my instruments to the audience and go and have a pint while they play the gig for me.

Easy money. Or, money for nothin' and the chicks are free.

The audience can have that piece of crap.

[vurt]

the audience decides nothing.
other than whether they "enjoy" something.
other than that they are just, well, there.

So the artist doesn't need the audience? Does a painter need someone to see his/her work?

audience and critics are there to listen, to decide whether they like something or not.
are they necassary? no, except to the ego.

The answer is no...unless the artist wants to make a living with his/her work.

this is about differences between music and noise, not about how artists make money. irrelevant.

[robogone]

the audience decides nothing.
other than whether they "enjoy" something.
other than that they are just, well, there.

So the artist doesn't need the audience?

You're not very good at words are you?

How does 'the audience decides nothing' translate to 'So the artist doesn't need an audience?'