KVR Audio

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:49 am

Arglebargle wrote:That's a plus for me. Given a choice between a DAW fighting me and being restrictive, or being able to get tweaky, I'll choose the latter.

Yep. Reaper is so refreshing in that after having fought that fight professionally for years.

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:52 am

liquidsound wrote:This topic became a TechSupp between Reaper and Cubase: the most frustrated users in the DAWs world. So if you pay $60 or $500 you get the same problems.
The thing is that most of them use both = Double problems for $560.
Go figure!

Nice try but I think you're wrong. Good joke though.

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:57 am

trimph1 wrote:
Marcus797 wrote:Ok I get that Reaper is a great bargain at 60$, it's the best bang-for-your-buck DAW on the market, etc... I get it, I really do.

But you're honestly telling me that if a DAW with far more (and better) features, workflow, etc... like Cubase or Logic was 60$ you would still go with Reaper?! Why drive a Honda if you can drive an S class Mercedes for the same price?
You see?

It is all about market share.

And, again, who is the master subject who can prove that certain features are better in Cubase or Logic?

This.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:16 am

btw

re. market share: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=324114

OFC this is only limited to us here on KVR...

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:17 am

Marcus797 wrote:Why? Why miss out on all the great features that you could get in a superior DAW for the same hypothetical price? Especially when you would hardly be giving up any features in return!

Oh, really? Cubase must have become a very different program during the last few years then. Same for Logic. Good for you.

Marcus797 wrote:Whats your point? There are plenty of people having stability issues with Reaper. But as long as we're using anecdotal "evidence"... I've been running Cubase since Cubase 4 on a variety of different computers with different OSs with lots of different VSTs and have almost never (certainly since C6) run into any stability problems.

OK, please try to bring Cubase into the CPU red light zone. And then please post the (t)error meassages it gives you. Would be interesting to see if that got changed. But why not?

Marcus797 wrote:There's only so far you can customize Reaper though. You can't customize yourself a variaudio, note expression, arranger track, tempo track, etc...

- Variaudio: no
- Note expression: no
- Arranger track: no
- Tempo track: yes, it's called Tempo Map.

In Cubase can you...
- Switch between all vst GUIs of one track to all vst GUIs of another track while closing the old ones?
- Change the ugly bloated UI to something that suits the personal needs of a user?
- What's the current limitation of possible VSTis?
Does Cubase still have a limit of the amount of inserts per track? And same for sends?

Just to name a few.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:24 am

My apple taste better than your pear.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:57 am

chacka wrote:In Cubase can you...
- Switch between all vst GUIs of one track to all vst GUIs of another track while closing the old ones?

No, but it's hardly a show stopper.

chacka wrote:- Change the ugly bloated UI to something that suits the personal needs of a user?

To me Cubase is uncluttered and easy on the eye. Plus, everything I need is accessible with minimum effort. I like it the way it is and don't want to change too much about it except perhaps to make it full screen and to be able to dock and freely resize windows. But these are superficial, cosmetic changes and have nothing to do with getting good results.

chacka wrote:- What's the current limitation of possible VSTis?

Unlimited

chacka wrote:Does Cubase still have a limit of the amount of inserts per track? And same for sends?

Yes for both, but how many EQs, compressors and FX do you really need to make a good mix? Cubase slots are more than enough. In any case you can easily route tracks to group channels for more processing.

Personally I think less is more. I don't want a million customisable options. I want a program that allows me to get a musical idea down quickly and easily. Cubase does that in one of the best ways available. I like Reaper and have a lot of respect for what Justin has done with the program but for me Cubase stays on top because it has just the right balance between form and function.

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:25 pm

If somebody had said those things about Reaper it would be workarounds and so on hahahaha
The obvious thing here is all apps are complete garbage and we choose the one we find easier to work around than any other hahaha

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:13 pm

gpunk wrote: The obvious thing here is all apps are complete garbage and we choose the one we find easier to work around than any other hahaha

lol, that's true. Maybe I should start coding my own DAW.

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:24 pm

Arglebargle wrote:
gpunk wrote: The obvious thing here is all apps are complete garbage and we choose the one we find easier to work around than any other hahaha
lol, that's true. Maybe I should start coding my own DAW.

Don't bother.. apparently it would be 'complete garbage.'

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:28 pm

VitaminD wrote:
Arglebargle wrote:
gpunk wrote: The obvious thing here is all apps are complete garbage and we choose the one we find easier to work around than any other hahaha
lol, that's true. Maybe I should start coding my own DAW.
Don't bother.. apparently it would be 'complete garbage.'

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:28 pm

VitaminD wrote:
Arglebargle wrote:
gpunk wrote: The obvious thing here is all apps are complete garbage and we choose the one we find easier to work around than any other hahaha
lol, that's true. Maybe I should start coding my own DAW.
Don't bother.. apparently it would be 'complete garbage.'

I can vouch for this. I wrote my own VST host chainer quite a few years ago. It was complete garbage! However, it did exactly what I wanted, which was to have a VERY light footprint host that let me chain plugs with VSTi for live playing, without having to use a DAW. Did I mention it was complete garbage.

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:28 pm

I just tried to get the demo version of Cubase, yanno, to give it a fair shake, see what it offers over Reaper, but apparently you need to buy a dongle first.

f**k that.

Astromann · Post by **Astromann** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:29 pm

gpunk wrote:The car analogy is quite good

Cubase and so on = Off the production line sports car, will work mostly but will have some issues, that is what happens with sports cars

Reaper = Kitcar, You have to put a lot of effort in building it, it will fit you more than any other car you ever owned because you put so much time in, it may have issues but because you spent so much time you can come up with a fix in short order

Hahahahahahaha
I think that car anology works quite well

Brilliant analogy...and very true LOL!!

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:42 pm

Arglebargle wrote:I just tried to get the demo version of Cubase, yanno, to give it a fair shake, see what it offers over Reaper, but apparently you need to buy a dongle first. f**k that.

I thought they had a software key version as well? I know AI (LE-ish) had a demo software key at least..

Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs ?