KVR Audio

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:02 am

musikmachine wrote:
hibidy wrote:It's a plot guys. It's Lawrence, he TOLD them not to.
Oh noes. It's an internet lynching.

Well, it will be from the rest of us if Lawrence doesn't find a way to get us on the team

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:03 am

The only thing I'm beta testing is poverty.

Well, that and a few strippers.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:22 am

I thought stripping was replaced by computers? (not something everyone will get)

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:40 am

hibidy wrote:
musikmachine wrote:
hibidy wrote:It's a plot guys. It's Lawrence, he TOLD them not to.
Oh noes. It's an internet lynching.
Well, it will be from the rest of us if Lawrence doesn't find a way to get us on the team

The wrath of a rejected beta tester know no bounds.

luxgud · Post by **luxgud** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:58 am

So, has beta testing actually started - nobody really knows ?

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:57 am

Don't think anyone actually knows... errr, except for LawrenceF of course that is

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:04 am

lol
He's playing his cards close to his chest though.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:30 pm

Ever the gentleman, he is....

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:32 pm

Internet rumors start easily don't they?

Lawrence has the beta, Obama is the Anti-Christ, Dan makes music with Pro Tools, there is actually one DAW that Hibidy doesn't own.

Sounds like headlines for the National Enquirer.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:42 pm

LawrenceF wrote:Internet rumors start easily don't they? Lawrence has the beta, Obama is the Anti-Christ, Dan makes music with Pro Tools, there is actually one DAW that Hibidy doesn't own.

Sounds like headlines for the National Enquirer.

The last example must be true

Unless Hibidy have the beta

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:46 pm

D-Fusion wrote:
LawrenceF wrote:Internet rumors start easily don't they? Lawrence has the beta, Obama is the Anti-Christ, Dan makes music with Pro Tools, there is actually one DAW that Hibidy doesn't own.

Sounds like headlines for the National Enquirer.
The last example must be true
Unless Hibidy have the beta

He does?

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:14 pm

Goratrix wrote:Regarding the whole story around this, is anyone else her familiar with what happened at NewTek (makers of the 3D software LightWave) ten years ago? This seems to be exactly the same story. In short, the company had a product developed over several years, but further development was not possible because of the old codebase. A complete rewrite from scratch was needed, which the developers wanted to do, but the management would not allow it, as it would require several years of investment. Eventually, the developers split, formed their own company (Luxology), spent several years programming and eventually released a whole new application (Modo). I suspect it was exactly the same with Ableton / Bitwig.

Yeah and while Modo has some super cool things about it, it's weirdly geekish in some areas (despite abandoning geekisms in other areas) and buggy as hell. Just like Lightwave.

Frankly, the computer audio world is way more mature than the 3D graphics world. Maybe that's down to the complexity of the product. Either way, i gave up on 3D products until they demand less adherence to geekism and far less tolerance of bugs & broken features.

The idea that BitWig is a fork of Ableton Live is rather neat, though. It's really lousy when developers (or marketers pushing on developers) maintain old code for no good reason other than it was there all along and would take time to replace it with better methods. Cakewalk spent all that time and publicity on X1, but it still looks like a redressed Sonar 8. It looks like a marketing upgrade, not a core product upgrade. What's Cakewalk holding onto that it ought not? The Windows architecture it's built upon. Even the developers admitted to wondering if they should have ported to the Mac way back (as read in CM or FM mag). Then again, the cross-platform software tends to be less stable on the much less supported Mac side any way... (personally experienced this with major 3D tools and DAWs).

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:50 pm

Shabdahbriah wrote:
hibidy wrote:Of course the flip side is ableton (at least used to) have public betas and the last version was a mess for many.

2c
I'm still on v7-something... There are some add-ons/goodies to entice me, but I will not even "evaluate" Live v8. I need to PAY to extend my Live v7 license though, if I load it again, which does not please me.

Um, what??

Every time i have to reinstall a system, i lose an install. Does that mean i lose my Live license?? i have an email from Ableton about reaching my max authorizations and i just assumed that meant number of systems concurrently loaded.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:59 pm

GeorgeZ wrote:The biggest problem I find usually with open betas is that the Devs never seem to have a proper system for reporting problems, almost never a way for beta testers to even see if the problem they're having has been noted, or is being attended too. That's the only criticism I have of open betas. Are they useless? No, they just need to be controlled and purpose driven (which many of them aren't... it's usually just a case of "download the beta and tell me if you find bugs"... which isn't all that direct).

If the reporting is managed, and there's clear and up to date communication with the beta team, the bugs can be captured and categorized semi-automatically, separating eh chaff from the wheat. This is usually more easily achieved in a closed beta I have found in practice.

Even the closed betas could use a lot of operational clean-up. i've been in a bunch for larger companies and most of them are clumsy. You get access to their back-end tools via a web interface and it's almost always clumsy and unfriendly. As an end user that's technically oriented, you can get through it, but it puts people off from doing the work of submitting good reports. You often can't browse existing reports to confirm them or even find out if you're about to post a duplicate. Worst of all is the lack of attention the developers give the reports. It's all very disconcerting and is possibly a reason for developers NOT to put out public betas (because users see just how little their input is valued).

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:40 pm

I can assure you I do not have the beta

Bitwig Studio announced