What would make you switch to Linux?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

it's a shame i cannot afford an iphone, as i much prefer the size. i have no interest in a phone that has wants-to-be-a-tablet syndrome

I love my Motorola Moto G, it's 4.5" (.5 bigger than the iPhone), but I can operate it with one hand. And it's plenty fast... and cheap!

good stuff. looking at the xperia L. great camera, nice expansion and 4.3" would be happier with iphone 4s, though (3.5")

[glokraw]

There is really some condescending stuff here, is the thing. Glokraw wants us to prove eg., Reaktor has better approaches to what are some things we take for granted but 'Linux' - an Operating System, through itself - does it all. Come on.

I asked ghettosynth to name 4 reaktor ensembles/instruments that are
equivalent to the four linux apps I mentioned, since --> he mentioned reaktor,
as a reason for avoidingaudio use of linux. He has yet to do this.
Since I use some reaktor things quite often,(what a fabulous user ensemble library!)
I am still very curious, always wanting better reaktor/vst tools to make music with.

I use reaper, in linux, with some name-brand vsts, and a lot of freeware,
no big deal, it suits my limited needs, despite having a couple of proficient
cubase users among next-of-kin. I try to point out the narrow hardware path
to successful linux use, and don't agree with the open-source or bust dogma.
I don't even want open-source data about my breakfast sausages

But there are smart people in cultures/societies that will likely never have
the western standard of living, they won't be choosing between
pro-tools and cubase, omnishphere and zebra, machV and kontakt,
and for them, a western cast-off computer, with well crafted linux apps,
is a treasure of creative potential.

For 3rd world DX7 fans, who can't afford FM8, the linux Hexter has a great editing gui,
and imports the massive dx sysex collection, barely blipping the cpu/ram
and is a joy to use with rakarrack multi-fx.

[T-CM11]

good stuff. looking at the xperia L. great camera, nice expansion and 4.3" would be happier with iphone 4s, though (3.5")

Just one of the first reviews that came up in google:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartpho ... y-xperia-l

Now the Moto G is available, the Sony Xperia L is no longer good value. Motorola's ludicrously good value Android phone has blown all other handsets out the water and if you're looking for a budget buy phone few others come close.

At the time of writing the 8GB Moto G is just £128. It is better than the Xperia L in just about every way. It has a higher resolution screen, a faster processor and better battery life. The camera on the Xperia L is excellent and certainly betters the mediocre snapper on the Moto G, but that's not enough to make it worth the money. Unless you have an unfounded hatred of all things Motorola, then you'd be foolish not to buy the Moto G over the Xperia L.

[ghettosynth]

you have blinkered vision. Windows has an administrator account which is the same as Root. How well does Nuendo run on Linux?

You missed the essence of the statement. The point is that malware on linux generally has LESS root access than on Windows. One of the common solutions to running certain USER applications on Windows is to run as administrator, this is generally not something that one does on linux. I work on my own system for days at a time without ever having to function as root.

That's nice for you.

No, it's nice for all current linux users. But, I'm not arguing with you, I'm correcting your blanket statement that the reasons aren't technical, some of the reasons that Windows has more malware, are, in fact, owing to technical limitations.

Moreover, the congruence of human issues are, in fact, important. The fact that linux doesn't have mass appeal and attracts more technically savvy users results in fewer instances of malware is a benefit that one can't negate, whatever the reasoning. One can argue until their blue in the face that the reason that it's more secure is this or that, at the end of the day, however, it IS more secure, has been for decades and will be for the foreseeable future.

I like linux as it is, I have no interest in attracting more users that don't know how to solve their own problems. My only interest in promoting linux is to the degree that it is not so small that the use of it can be dramatically impacted by lawyers.

[UltraJv]

you have blinkered vision. Windows has an administrator account which is the same as Root. How well does Nuendo run on Linux?

You missed the essence of the statement. The point is that malware on linux generally has LESS root access than on Windows. One of the common solutions to running certain USER applications on Windows is to run as administrator, this is generally not something that one does on linux. I work on my own system for days at a time without ever having to function as root.

That's nice for you.

No, it's nice for all current linux users. But, I'm not arguing with you, I'm correcting your blanket statement that the reasons aren't technical, some of the reasons that Windows has more malware, are, in fact, owing to technical limitations.

Moreover, the congruence of human issues are, in fact, important. The fact that linux doesn't have mass appeal and attracts more technically savvy users results in fewer instances of malware is a benefit that one can't negate, whatever the reasoning. One can argue until their blue in the face that the reason that it's more secure is this or that, at the end of the day, however, it IS more secure, has been for decades and will be for the foreseeable future.

I like linux as it is, I have no interest in attracting more users that don't know how to solve their own problems. My only interest in promoting linux is to the degree that it is not so small that the use of it can be dramatically impacted by lawyers.

I happen to use Linux live boot DVD - Kali. Its great as it has a lot of SDR (software defined radio) stuff. I wouldn't use it music tho. That's the point in this thread. Horses for courses.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

good stuff. looking at the xperia L. great camera, nice expansion and 4.3" would be happier with iphone 4s, though (3.5")

Just one of the first reviews that came up in google:
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartpho ... y-xperia-l

Now the Moto G is available, the Sony Xperia L is no longer good value. Motorola's ludicrously good value Android phone has blown all other handsets out the water and if you're looking for a budget buy phone few others come close.

At the time of writing the 8GB Moto G is just £128. It is better than the Xperia L in just about every way. It has a higher resolution screen, a faster processor and better battery life. The camera on the Xperia L is excellent and certainly betters the mediocre snapper on the Moto G, but that's not enough to make it worth the money. Unless you have an unfounded hatred of all things Motorola, then you'd be foolish not to buy the Moto G over the Xperia L.

I already know but the camera is the main draw for me. I don't need a super hi-res phone, when all my videos are watched on either a 23" hd screen or a retina ipad. Same for processor. Considering i won't be using it for hardcore gaming, hd video or music apps, i don't need much more than is necessary to minimise any lag on day-to-day operations. As for battery life, all the major drains (aside from video recording, perhaps) will be on other tech. Anyway, nothing to stop me getting a 2nd battery if i needed

But, at this price point it's very hard to come by a good quality camera

[T-CM11]

If you're ok with Windows Phone... I read the Nokia 920 has a very good camera.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

If you're ok with Windows Phone... I read the Nokia 920 has a very good camera.

Might take a look at windows phones again. Kinda dismissed them at first, but might check to see how well they integrate with mac, and how their app store is coming along

Thanks

[briandc]

UFW. (unix firewall) Just install and type "sudo ufw enable" in the terminal (confirmed with password, of course).

Does it have a GUI? If not, how do you know that command? It could've been "run ufw enable" or "start ufw activate" or "go ufw on"... or whatever. I think command line for basic functions is just "bad UI design" (=no interface design). And even for more "advanced" configuration, why not put a button and a screen with options.
But that's just me, I have better things to memorize than a million commands and their parameters.

Everything on a computer happens at the command line. It is actually the correct way to use a pc, and it's really pretty easy (even for noobs like me! ) The command line will also give you a lot of information that a GUI won't do. In fact, the problems that occur with many applications is all due to the GUI, aiui. In addition, a GUI can often slow an application down significantly.

There is an explanation for the text too, as it's made by people like you and me. "sudo" is the command necessary to enter an administrative task. "ufw" is the application" and "enable" is the command that the UFW makers decided as the word to activate the application on system start-up.

There are times when a GUI is nice to use; there are however times in which the command line is very efficient and very quick.

Same thing for the keyboard. The mouse was invented after the keyboard, and in fact, in many instances a mouse actually slows me down. I like to do as much as possible using just the keyboard, rather than having to point a pointer somewhere.


brian

[ZenPunkHippy]

It is actually the correct way to use a pc

The correct way to use a computer is to feed it a stack of punch cards with a job to run.

Do you see where this is going?

[jancivil]

There is really some condescending stuff here, is the thing. Glokraw wants us to prove eg., Reaktor has better approaches to what are some things we take for granted but 'Linux' - an Operating System, through itself - does it all. Come on.

I asked ghettosynth to name 4 reaktor ensembles/instruments that are
equivalent to the four linux apps I mentioned, since --> he mentioned reaktor,
as a reason for avoidingaudio use of linux. He has yet to do this.
Since I use some reaktor things quite often,(what a fabulous user ensemble library!)
I am still very curious, always wanting better reaktor/vst tools to make music with.

I use reaper, in linux, with some name-brand vsts, and a lot of freeware,
no big deal, it suits my limited needs, despite having a couple of proficient
cubase users among next-of-kin. I try to point out the narrow hardware path
to successful linux use, and don't agree with the open-source or bust dogma.
I don't even want open-source data about my breakfast sausages

But there are smart people in cultures/societies that will likely never have
the western standard of living, they won't be choosing between
pro-tools and cubase, omnishphere and zebra, machV and kontakt,
and for them, a western cast-off computer, with well crafted linux apps,
is a treasure of creative potential.

For 3rd world DX7 fans, who can't afford FM8, the linux Hexter has a great editing gui,
and imports the massive dx sysex collection, barely blipping the cpu/ram
and is a joy to use with rakarrack multi-fx.

Ok, I'm sorry, I read you wrong; only because of your insistence in the context. I understand you perfectly now, thank you.

[briandc]

So we see that Linux is in the venue of idealism and a beautiful dream. A couple of people are so idealistic they'll *never use Kontakt or Reaktor.

None of these values help someone that's into having access to the highest quality tools.

Incorrect. Ever heard of Zynaddsubfx? It's not idealism. It's actually reality. And anyone who isn't satisfied with it can help to make it better.

Nope, never heard of it. Now you're taking statements and repurposing them. I said that your values do nothing through themselves to change reality. You want to talk about Reaktor but you've never used it!

For now, we don't have synths or DAWs comparible perhaps to the ones you cited. But I think it won't be long before we do. (I don't know if they are already useable in linux with Wine, as I don't have a need for them, but perhaps they are.)

You 'think' this and you 'think' that, but you don't really know what these things are. You don't understand, you don't need to understand. But a lot of people need high performance and cannot afford to run things under Wine and all this. I totally acknowledge your POV but you want to vacate what people tell you. It's not enough to state what it's good for, you're pretending it 'does it all', or will in future, even as you have no experience with the things it doesn't do.

Why are you selling it...

Well, it's hard to sell something that's already free. But it is I think useful to at least clarify people's misconceptions about a IT platform that is there and available for anyone and everyone who would like to make it into the best OS available.

Come on, that 'sell' means persuade. The best OS available for what? The thing you're selling is ideology. I don't think anyone believes it isn't there and available for the sort of person that's interested in the OS at the lower level. It isn't going to replace the capitalized systems or software purposed more directly just through the beauty of intention. Linux is you and me. Great, but I want software made by competitive professionals that don't do anything else. The people that make the things I'm going to use are porting to Windows and OSX. Full stop.

So this is a political argument essentially, I don't believe what you believe to the extent of things being magically true in this realm of professional quality audio software is all.

Perhaps we need to talk then in more specific terms. What is particularly professional in a Windows set-up that I will not find in linux? A certain plug-in? A specific feature? I trust that you don't consider something professional only because you had to pay to have it.


brian

[ZenPunkHippy]

Perhaps we need to talk then in more specific terms. What is particularly professional in a Windows set-up that I will not find in linux?

Drivers for my 3 sound cards would be a good place to start. Not available for Linux (yet). May never be, so until I decided to change or upgrade my hardware (not likely), it's going to be difficult to convince me that Linux is the way forward (for my specific use case).

[jancivil]

Perhaps we need to talk then in more specific terms. What is particularly professional in a Windows set-up that I will not find in linux? A certain plug-in? A specific feature? I trust that you don't consider something professional only because you had to pay to have it.

This is an acute form of your argumentation I wanted to counter in the first place. You cherry-picked from 'in the realm of professional audio software' in order to create a straw man, for instance. I didn't say there could be no professional audio software in Linux, in case that statement is not clear enough.
You are projecting, it's clear enough your argument for Linux is wrapped up in not paying for it. In fact, I use a number of things someone made available for free.
But!
There are things I use which only exist because of capitalization & the marketplace. And really, the free things are hard to extricate from this reality as well. Some are free out of PR for things which cost. The quality of certain free things is competitive with the marketplace. If no one ever made a living from it, what would we have?
Your purity changes that not at all.

I already listed several things. You aren't really interested in them, I think. I'm going to disengage now.

[glokraw]

Perhaps we need to talk then in more specific terms. What is particularly professional in a Windows set-up that I will not find in linux? A certain plug-in? A specific feature? I trust that you don't consider something professional only because you had to pay to have it.
brian

Professional/skilled musicians/producers can have vastly differing needs.
A mainstream studio in a metropolis, will need different items than
a one-man studio in a small town. There are pickers in the back-country,
who would dazzle the Opry, on very rustic gear. All will have a budget,
and pick their gear accordingly . Same with hobbyists,
unheralded orchestra members, bajou blues masters, or talented beginners,
working their way up. Cover bands require different gear than solo artists,
those playing bars and soc-hops, won't always be be using $2000 guitars
and $3000 keyboards.

Can professional quality sound be done with only linux? Certainly,
it can be done even on Amigas and Ataris, because skills can be aquired
with time and work, instead of money. It can be done without OSX,
and done without Windows, and done without any computers,
(though chips and OS may be lurking inside hardware)

I've probably invested about $4000 in music gear over 20 years.
Paltry by some standards. Sure, I could use a computer with more than
two gig ram, but better for me to practice the plunkin' n' pickin',
and maximise the treasure, free or otherwise, that I have,
rather than $pend, just because I can.

The story can be totally different for the next poster, it's music, not war
One of the worlds richest men, Paul Allen, has a hobbyist band, that he takes
very seriously, but I doubt jancivil or ghettosynth, or the linux studio
coder in Portugal, are any less serious.