Cubase 9 coming in December according to Guitar Center

[fmr]

Anyone else having issues with the Elicenser Service Center "Maintenance Update"?

Errors after errors

Yep.Update to new elicenser. And keep trying, took me about 5 attempts and finally got it running. Kept getting network issues.

Yes, indeed. Servers must be getting on their knees. Hopefully, tomorrow the situation will be better.

[ghettosynth]

Anyone else having issues with the Elicenser Service Center "Maintenance Update"?

Also... I'd love to know where the problem reside to produce a day-1 demo version.

My guess is that it's a way to help mitigate traffic and provide service to customers first. If you have a day one demo then you will have a lot of looky-loos clogging up the server. By delaying the demo, you give preference to your existing customers and those who already know that they want to become customers.

I'm totally ok with this, in fact, I applaud it. I had no issues downloading my paid for upgrade or the minor update.

[MFXxx]

Wow a shed load of plugins blacklisted, this will be fun!!!

Pretty much most of izotopes (all vst2), a couple of Korgs (midifilters and mixer 1,2,3) and Xilsfiles 64.

[ghettosynth]

Wow a shed load of plugins blacklisted, this will be fun!!!

Pretty much most of izotopes (all vst2), a couple of Korgs (midifilters and mixer 1,2,3) and Xilsfiles 64 and Kick 2.

In a sense, I think that this is good. It might force some vendors to start taking this a bit more seriously. I think that it might be good if to name names here, so, right off the gate, some of my Ircam plugins were blacklist.

[Compyfox]

My guess is that it's a way to help mitigate traffic and provide service to customers first. If you have a day one demo then you will have a lot of looky-loos clogging up the server. By delaying the demo, you give preference to your existing customers and those who already know that they want to become customers.

This might be a valid argument. But honestly? Up to 4 months of delay for the .0 version, and the .5 version within 1,5 months? Dorico on the other hand got a demo within a month!

So the argumentation is kind of moot.

In a sense, I think that this is good. It might force some vendors to start taking this a bit more seriously. I think that it might be good if to name names here, so, right off the gate, some of my Ircam plugins were blacklist.

What do you mean by "seriously"? VST3?

That thing is so frigging buggy still it's not even funny. Heck, with various hosts under the roof, and everyone doing something else in terms of interpreting plugins... it's a nightmare for developers and beta testers.

As beta tester for various companies, I can relate. What works in Cubase flawlessly, doesn't work in Wavelab. What works in Wavelab, doesn't work in Cubase without workarounds. Just dig out some posts by U-HE and AdmiralQuality - then hop over to the JUCE forum.

If somebody needs to take this "seriously", and handle it way better, it's the developer of the SDK.



But then again...



I'm a user first and foremost - and if something doesn't work, somebody is at fault. I'll leave it to the devs to do that among each other...

[MFXxx]

Wow a shed load of plugins blacklisted, this will be fun!!!

Pretty much most of izotopes (all vst2), a couple of Korgs (midifilters and mixer 1,2,3) and Xilsfiles 64 and Kick 2.

In a sense, I think that this is good. It might force some vendors to start taking this a bit more seriously. I think that it might be good if to name names here, so, right off the gate, some of my Ircam plugins were blacklist.

After some testing it appears to have blacklisted only the Izotope vst2s not the vst3s which is fine and the xilslabs plugins work. So all good. Not tested the Korg bits yet.

[noiseboyuk]

Away from base today, but thought Id trial Elements 9 on the macbook pro. A first impression....

The Lower Zone. This, I figured, is where it might shine - on a laptop. I couldn't think of a use for it on my main multi-screen rig, but the idea of tabs for all your main extra windows seemed like a reasonable idea. Quickly, however, it became apparent that it will stay off for me. The problem is that everything I might use it for requires height. A mix console so crippled you can't see a fader and a send at the same time; a key editor where you can't see all the keys and so on. It seems like a fundamentally flawed idea.

But there's worse to come - as far as I can work out, although you can get rid of it, it KEEPS COMING BACK each time you click a midi part to edit any data. Bang, up it pops in all its truncated glory. You then have to click again to pop it out to a sensible window; you then have to then get rid of it again manually. Three clicks vs one in the old one. And, again, there seems to be no way of disabling this madness. Maybe there is, but I've tried preferences and all the options in the window. So unless I can figure that out, Cubase 9 is liable to just get uninstalled and I'll put the £20 down to experience.

The Sampler Track. Maybe this will fare better? It's sort of a promising idea actually, from one who had no interest whatsoever in the whole idea of a bundled sampler. The notion of a quick and dirty thing that you can just drag and drop and it works - well, not too shabby.

My optimism didn't last for long. The first annoyance - you drag your small audio clip down to the sampler track (in that, yes, bloody lower zone under its own tab), and then you realise you haven't just dragged that small clip at all, you've dragged an entire 3 minute vocal take. Great. OK, so you can trim it down to the tiny bit you need, but what a waste of time and space. Next, it adds a new Sampler track down at the bottom of the project window, not next to where you dragged it from, so your project window is now a mess. Oh, and look there - it routes it to Stereo Out, not the group that the original track was routed to. So your mixer is a mess too. And there appears to be no place to work with it except in that dreaded Lower Zone. And the quality on time stretching is atrocious.

Next...

Mix Console History. Not in Elements it isn't.

Next...

EQ with Frequency. Again, MIA.

Is there ANYTHING good to report? Well yes - the VST rack can now be reduced in width to under half the old, and collapsed vertically to just show the name and basic controls. This is nice. Also, adding an output to a VI is now more elegant - you click all the ones you want in one hit without it auto-closing.

But honestly - that's the only plus I've found. It blacklisted almost every plugin I own, including the latest VST3 versions of iZotope stuff, and VST 2 versions of NI products. Overall, the negatives are so overwhelming, I'm not going to "upgrade" the main rig at all. No fixes - still less improvements - for disabled tracks, no performance improvements that are discernible. None of the countless other small, useful workflow feature requests.

On this evidence, Cubase 9 is - in a word - rubbish. It's an insult, almost. A paltry selection of half baked features that impose themselves on you. Shockingly bad.

[fmr]

This might be a valid argument. But honestly? Up to 4 months of delay for the .0 version, and the .5 version within 1,5 months? Dorico on the other hand got a demo within a month!

So the argumentation is kind of moot.

You can't compare. Dorico is a product just being launched, that has to fight for its space. Cubase, OTOH is the nº 1 DAW. I guess there will be no comparison in the number of downloads one and the other wil have.

[fmr]

It blacklisted almost every plugin I own, including the latest VST3 versions of iZotope stuff, and VST 2 versions of NI products. Overall, the negatives are so overwhelming, I'm not going to "upgrade" the main rig at all. No fixes - still less improvements - for disabled tracks, no performance improvements that are discernible. None of the countless other small, useful workflow feature requests

I've seen this over and over. Am I the only lucky guy here? I mean - the files that are installed in the iZotope plug-in folder that start with iZ (which are not the plug-ins but some sort of auxiliary files) were blacklisted, but all my iZotope plug-ins are there: Ozone ((the new Ozone 7 and even Ozone 5 which I still have installed), Nectar Suite, Alloy 2, Neutron, RX, Trash 2, even Spectron. So, am I just lucky, or you are not looking crefully to what was blacklisted?

[ghettosynth]

It blacklisted almost every plugin I own, including the latest VST3 versions of iZotope stuff, and VST 2 versions of NI products. Overall, the negatives are so overwhelming, I'm not going to "upgrade" the main rig at all. No fixes - still less improvements - for disabled tracks, no performance improvements that are discernible. None of the countless other small, useful workflow feature requests

I've seen this over and over. Am I the only lucky guy here? I mean - the files that are installed in the iZotope plug-in folder that start with iZ (which are not the plug-ins but some sort of auxiliary files) were blacklisted, but all my iZotope plug-ins are there: Ozone ((the new Ozone 7 and even Ozone 5 which I still have installed), Nectar Suite, Alloy 2, Neutron, RX, Trash 2, even Spectron. So, am I just lucky, or you are not looking crefully to what was blacklisted?

Good observation. It also blacklisted other support dlls that happened to be in the plugin directory. It's possible that this is what has been hanging scanning. This would explain why it appears to be a multi-daw multi-machine problem.

That said, I would like it then if vendors stopped putting non-plugin dlls in the plugins directory.

[igoramos]

anybody been able to find the Cubase 9 Operation Manual anywhere??

[ghettosynth]

anybody been able to find the Cubase 9 Operation Manual anywhere??

Yes, it's online. I don't think that it's in the install.

https://www.steinberg.help/

[igoramos]

anybody been able to find the Cubase 9 Operation Manual anywhere??

Yes, it's online. I don't think that it's in the install.

https://www.steinberg.help/

thank you!

[ghettosynth]

My guess is that it's a way to help mitigate traffic and provide service to customers first. If you have a day one demo then you will have a lot of looky-loos clogging up the server. By delaying the demo, you give preference to your existing customers and those who already know that they want to become customers.

This might be a valid argument. But honestly? Up to 4 months of delay for the .0 version, and the .5 version within 1,5 months? Dorico on the other hand got a demo within a month!

So the argumentation is kind of moot.

Clearly it's not a priority for them. I suspect that they've thought about it and have decided that it's actually better for sales to not put a demo up to quickly. It's fair to judge that, but I'm not all that concerned TBH.

In a sense, I think that this is good. It might force some vendors to start taking this a bit more seriously. I think that it might be good if to name names here, so, right off the gate, some of my Ircam plugins were blacklist.

What do you mean by "seriously"? VST3?

That thing is so frigging buggy still it's not even funny.
I'm a user first and foremost - and if something doesn't work, somebody is at fault. I'll leave it to the devs to do that among each other...

No, actually, now that I've looked carefully, I'm pretty happy with this idea of a blacklist. What vendors should probably stop doing is putting their support DLLs underneath the plugins folder. I think, in fact, that this is exactly what's been hanging up the scan process as it's been happening on multiple hosts. I'm going to suggest, at least, a manual blacklist to both MuLab and Cockos. It's a great idea to be able to say, "yeah, don't scan these dlls, you won't find a plugin there anyway."

[ghettosynth]

Away from base today, but thought Id trial Elements 9 on the macbook pro. A first impression....

The Lower Zone. This, I figured, is where it might shine - on a laptop. I couldn't think of a use for it on my main multi-screen rig, but the idea of tabs for all your main extra windows seemed like a reasonable idea. Quickly, however, it became apparent that it will stay off for me. The problem is that everything I might use it for requires height. A mix console so crippled you can't see a fader and a send at the same time; a key editor where you can't see all the keys and so on. It seems like a fundamentally flawed idea.

But there's worse to come - as far as I can work out, although you can get rid of it, it KEEPS COMING BACK each time you click a midi part to edit any data. Bang, up it pops in all its truncated glory. You then have to click again to pop it out to a sensible window; you then have to then get rid of it again manually. Three clicks vs one in the old one. And, again, there seems to be no way of disabling this madness. Maybe there is, but I've tried preferences and all the options in the window. So unless I can figure that out, Cubase 9 is liable to just get uninstalled and I'll put the £20 down to experience.