One-Synth-Challenge: General discussion thread
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3922 posts since 15 Dec, 2009
Ah cool, we have some tracker made entries here from time to time. Btw, just curious since you know the tracker scene, how is Aodix considered?
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- KVRist
- 52 posts since 23 Aug, 2010
I've heard of it, but I don't know anyone who uses it and haven't heard much discussion about it. It looks pretty decent from the website, but is no longer developed since the developer Arguru unfortunately passed away a few years agoV'ger wrote:Ah cool, we have some tracker made entries here from time to time. Btw, just curious since you know the tracker scene, how is Aodix considered?
Renoise is the most full featured and well supported tracker that is actively developed.-
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3922 posts since 15 Dec, 2009
Yea shame with Arguru, I was just curious how good Aodix was as his synth Voyager still holds as one of the best free synths out there, even rival a lot of commercial ones for bass sounds and phat filters..
Anyway, let me know if there's anything more when setting up the competition, maybe something here can be useful.
Anyway, let me know if there's anything more when setting up the competition, maybe something here can be useful.
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gorgorgathgorgorgor gorgorgathgorgorgor https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=248278 - KVRian
- 555 posts since 19 Jan, 2011 from Texas
So any thoughts about next month's synth? I guess we're well past voting for one...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3922 posts since 15 Dec, 2009
Yes no vote this time for varying reasons, sorry. But hopefully you will all be satisfied with the pick anyway. (it won't be a commercial synth)
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gorgorgathgorgorgor gorgorgathgorgorgor https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=248278
- KVRian
- 555 posts since 19 Jan, 2011 from Texas
Yay! (you had me worried for a minute there...)
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- KVRAF
- 2228 posts since 29 Sep, 2011
I sorta like the idea of being in the dark until start of the month.V'ger wrote:Yes no vote this time for varying reasons, sorry. But hopefully you will all be satisfied with the pick anyway. (it won't be a commercial synth)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3922 posts since 15 Dec, 2009
Well maybe time for a rules discussion again? Specifically the effects rule. Modulation has been banned since the beginning here, but should it continue to be?
I've lately been
at effects that has modulation as part of some other (legal) effect, but are you ok with modulation if it follows a delay or reverb for example?
And sampler/render use. Continue as is, or are you ok to use it for slight sound alterations like the typical singling-out-the-good-kick-sound as has become common lately, or for other things?
Any other points?
I've lately been
at effects that has modulation as part of some other (legal) effect, but are you ok with modulation if it follows a delay or reverb for example?And sampler/render use. Continue as is, or are you ok to use it for slight sound alterations like the typical singling-out-the-good-kick-sound as has become common lately, or for other things?
Any other points?
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- KVRAF
- 1769 posts since 1 Mar, 2010 from Paris
As I'm new to the OSC I feel that rendering/sampling should be allowed in a creative way, on condition that the original synth sound isn't modified in any way (hence the "no" for modulation use).V'ger wrote:And sampler/render use. Continue as is, or are you ok to use it for slight sound alterations like the typical singling-out-the-good-kick-sound as has become common lately, or for other things?
In my track, Holograp, I sampled the individual hits on most of the drum tracks. And for a while, I also contemplated chopping up and reversing some samples but I didn't as I didn't really know if it was allowed or not.
But I didn't feel it was worse than using an external delay.
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- KVRian
- 687 posts since 21 Aug, 2010 from Cagliari - (Sardinia)
Just a few considerations to start with...
As I'm more focused on "composition" than to effects, I have no objection to leave the "no modulation rule" as is, but consider to make the contest
more attractive for newcomers by "relaxing" some restrictive rules (as the "no modulation" rule could be).
On the other hand, I think this rule is an opportunity to discover new tools...
At the moment I think the sampler/render rule is good as is (even if I used only once for stability issues with String Theory); maybe the "for convenience" clause should be specified better.
As I'm more focused on "composition" than to effects, I have no objection to leave the "no modulation rule" as is, but consider to make the contest
more attractive for newcomers by "relaxing" some restrictive rules (as the "no modulation" rule could be).
On the other hand, I think this rule is an opportunity to discover new tools...
At the moment I think the sampler/render rule is good as is (even if I used only once for stability issues with String Theory); maybe the "for convenience" clause should be specified better.
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- KVRAF
- 2655 posts since 18 Mar, 2011 from Spain
As you all know about me, i really don't care if rules will be relaxed or not, i'm adaptative, so i will be ok with whatever.
Anyway, about sampling/bouncing rule. I'm agree with it, i mean, the use of it for make little changes, like the kick "issue" should be ok.
Since the synth can do that sound.
But not for example, for using to make reverse synth melodies, changing the pitch and other wave edition effects, that i really would love to do, but goes completelly out of rules.
In the another hand, the modulation effects, as i said, if they are from a delay or a reverb, it's ok to me.
But not when the sound is directly feed up with a modulation effect. For example, a distortion 100% wet in a lead, in a synth which doesn't have a distortion. That would be out of rules once again.
But i'm ok with reverbs and delays with some modulation on them. Always that the modulation or the effect won't be 100% wet.
It's like if i use the U-he Tyrell Nexus 6, put a Chorus effect, so i could make a Junish typical sound from it, when Tyrell can't do it directly. That's not fair. So this mean that we should be aware about what to use and what not.
Does a delay with some light modulation change the synth nature? Not really, as much it's modulating the echoes, because you can still listening the initial and original sound from the synth.
Does a chorus change the synth nature? Yes, it does, as example the Junish sound from a Tyrell. And you all know how people goes crazy with some vintage synth.
"You are my winner, you made a nice junish sound with Mini-Pepe synth. Others did a great four minutes length composition and amazing arrange with zero effects, but i don't care, i have a confession, i'm obsessed with Juno and vintage sounds, so you are my winner, 5 bazillion pointz for you for these junish 'pownzord' leadz in your one minute track!"
Extreme hypothetical case, but it could be, lol.
Anyway, i'm agree about what Bzur said, newcomers may will find more interesting a contest with relaxed rules. But well, that's the challenge.
When i was the newcomer i was very excited with the rules as they were already to be honest, but this may vary between different persons.
If we quit the rule about modulation, it would not be OSC, it would be JMMWWYW "Just Make Music With Whatever You Want"
Despite my opinion, i'm adaptative. So i don't care which will be the last decision.
C'mon people, bring us your opinions, we don't bite
Maybe it's time to make a poll. So we can count who are agree about it or disagree. Just posting ideas won't help so much. We need a number and decide it from people, like politic elections.
But i don't know how to do a poll. (Or i can't yet)
Have a good day
Anyway, about sampling/bouncing rule. I'm agree with it, i mean, the use of it for make little changes, like the kick "issue" should be ok.
Since the synth can do that sound.
But not for example, for using to make reverse synth melodies, changing the pitch and other wave edition effects, that i really would love to do, but goes completelly out of rules.
In the another hand, the modulation effects, as i said, if they are from a delay or a reverb, it's ok to me.
But not when the sound is directly feed up with a modulation effect. For example, a distortion 100% wet in a lead, in a synth which doesn't have a distortion. That would be out of rules once again.
But i'm ok with reverbs and delays with some modulation on them. Always that the modulation or the effect won't be 100% wet.
It's like if i use the U-he Tyrell Nexus 6, put a Chorus effect, so i could make a Junish typical sound from it, when Tyrell can't do it directly. That's not fair. So this mean that we should be aware about what to use and what not.
Does a delay with some light modulation change the synth nature? Not really, as much it's modulating the echoes, because you can still listening the initial and original sound from the synth.
Does a chorus change the synth nature? Yes, it does, as example the Junish sound from a Tyrell. And you all know how people goes crazy with some vintage synth.
"You are my winner, you made a nice junish sound with Mini-Pepe synth. Others did a great four minutes length composition and amazing arrange with zero effects, but i don't care, i have a confession, i'm obsessed with Juno and vintage sounds, so you are my winner, 5 bazillion pointz for you for these junish 'pownzord' leadz in your one minute track!"
Extreme hypothetical case, but it could be, lol.
Anyway, i'm agree about what Bzur said, newcomers may will find more interesting a contest with relaxed rules. But well, that's the challenge.
When i was the newcomer i was very excited with the rules as they were already to be honest, but this may vary between different persons.
If we quit the rule about modulation, it would not be OSC, it would be JMMWWYW "Just Make Music With Whatever You Want"
Despite my opinion, i'm adaptative. So i don't care which will be the last decision.
C'mon people, bring us your opinions, we don't bite
Maybe it's time to make a poll. So we can count who are agree about it or disagree. Just posting ideas won't help so much. We need a number and decide it from people, like politic elections.
But i don't know how to do a poll. (Or i can't yet)
Have a good day
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- KVRist
- 61 posts since 12 May, 2010 from APT 13
I'm not sure if using modulation effects should be allowed, but I think there are only two fair alternatives.
A. If the purpose is to reproduce the pure sound of a synth, only eq's dynamics and reverb should be allowed.
B. If the aim is to compose a track, like one would/ we do usually, then Distortion, Saturation, etc. and Samplers (especially for percussion sounds) should be alowed besides modulation effects. In this case the synth could be used as sound generator and we would gain a nice level of creative (& documentated) freedom.
Allowing modulation effects and banning the rest of the tools at once, would be thetic, as the sound of the synth will get distorted by modulation efx anyway.
Just my two cents
A. If the purpose is to reproduce the pure sound of a synth, only eq's dynamics and reverb should be allowed.
B. If the aim is to compose a track, like one would/ we do usually, then Distortion, Saturation, etc. and Samplers (especially for percussion sounds) should be alowed besides modulation effects. In this case the synth could be used as sound generator and we would gain a nice level of creative (& documentated) freedom.
Allowing modulation effects and banning the rest of the tools at once, would be thetic, as the sound of the synth will get distorted by modulation efx anyway.
Just my two cents
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- KVRAF
- 4585 posts since 2 Nov, 2006
I think the name of the competition says it all: one synth challenge. The original spirit was to produce great/interesting songs using only a synth (this is the challenge, after all).
Samplers, modulation, filters (included EQ, since you could automate an EQ and make it sound like a filtered sequence line
), can change the sound of the chosen synth dramatically.
Bounce to track should be allowed.
The FXs should be choosen from those available for free and all users should use only those FXs that has been approved (a fixed list of fx plugins valid for all OSCs).
My half penny
Samplers, modulation, filters (included EQ, since you could automate an EQ and make it sound like a filtered sequence line
), can change the sound of the chosen synth dramatically. Bounce to track should be allowed.
The FXs should be choosen from those available for free and all users should use only those FXs that has been approved (a fixed list of fx plugins valid for all OSCs).
My half penny
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- KVRist
- 80 posts since 13 Feb, 2011 from Düsseldorf, NRW, Germany
That sounds like a good idea to me, too - and as we can see in these threads, the community is anything but slow and lazy, so if anybody wants to have another effect added, it could be added within a short period of time.MaxSynths wrote:(a fixed list of fx plugins valid for all OSCs)
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- KVRist
- 61 posts since 12 May, 2010 from APT 13
+ 1 for a fixed list of fx plugins. Question remains, if the sound of a synth should stay "undistorted".
easyQ is good static eq, which doesn't suit for filtersweeps so far.MaxSynths wrote:(.. EQ, since you could automate an EQ and make it sound like a filtered sequence line