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Uncle E wrote: The Jet City Eminence is actually much darker than a Greenback. That's not necessarily a bad thing, you just need to dial in extra presence to get the same sound, but I don't think the speaker will be hurt by being in a brighter cab if someone is after more of a Greenback sound.

btw, the Jet City Eminence used together with a Greenback is glorious. :tu:
Man, you're full of awesome info. Thanks a lot :) I'm leaving it totally stock, the more I play with it the more I like its inherent sound and responsiveness. I'm guessing they picked the speaker for the 1x12 intentionally to offset the way that smaller, single-speaker cabs can tend to sound either boxy or ice-pick shrill (or both, ugh, I've had some bad experiences with 1x12 combos). If it is indeed basically a slightly adjusted Soldano cab design with a speaker that's matched up perfectly... I just don't see a downside. Its construction quality is great, screws in all the right places, even the purely cosmetic stuff is well put together. More expensive cabs that are still in the affordable range have impressed me far less. I am concerned that if I compared this to a THD 1x12, matched to the head I'm using, would be at best a side-grade in terms of sound quality.

The wood is all 3/4", by the way, which is pretty much exactly what it ought to be. I've cranked my amp and while it only pushes around 17W with my tube configuration when fully engaged, it is still extraordinarily loud... and the cab doesn't lose any of its nice qualities. It keeps up very well.

I can only speculate, but I would feel very comfortable based on this experience investing in the 2x12 version if I wanted a higher wattage setup. This is cab engineering and production done very well. The price is ancillary to the quality, frankly. I keep coming back to this, but I'm just used to paying WAY more for gear than this, and I'm pretty blown away by the quality of this.

I know I'm working for Wampler now, but Wampler doesn't make cabs, so I will be contributing a review to FrugalGuitarist (I want to keep doing that so long as there aren't conflicts of interest). I get the itch to review still, I just can't write about pedals now even though I still spend too much money on various things :) If you have any other cool info you'd like to share, Uncle E, I am all ears and will give you a nod on my blog as having been really helpful in better understanding the product. Fawning only takes up a few paragraphs, you've already given me a lot to think about in writing a cool article that explains what is so nice about the thing. Thanks, man.

If anyone has tried the compact version, I'd love to hear their input too.

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Hink wrote:
NEKRO.MACHINE wrote:
Hink wrote:
NEKRO.MACHINE wrote:
susiwong wrote:
NEKRO.MACHINE wrote:So if anyone knows if its a 10" or 12" please let me know :D

Hi Dean,
It's 12", definitely.
I'm interested, too, of course.

The only gotcha - looks like another ripoff. :x :evil: :x
$300 @ JRR sounds reasonable.
€479 i.e $622 stinks, even when factoring in tax.
And who needs the USB anyway ?
One of the reasons StealthPlug and Co are utter nonsense for anybody with an ASIO card, you can't have two ASIO drivers active at the same time, so how are you going to monitor while tracking ? :roll:
Ymmv,
susiwong
Yes the USB is not at all a concern really, in that youtube thread people were moaning that Thomman sold them that iso cab but without the USB thing but that months ago :lol: Thanks for confirming it is a 12" and rough esitmate of the euro damage...i may just make it the one my friend :)

Perhaps they will do a model sans USB AD/DA thing and knock a ton off of the price - that would be good!
the new model due out early next month has no usb
Jet City JetStream ISO12 Eminence Loaded Isolation Guitar Cabinet - 12 inch
330 usd...and I have a couple of goosenecks and flanges lying about so I too would be modding it. :hihi:
Cheers Hink, that is good news and appreciate it. My local do stock Soldano and Jet Citys so an ISO cab will be either in stock or simple as dropping in an order :tu: and yeah if you get your one first would love to hear about the mods as you know i just get excited at these sort of things :oops: I have not got a social life so this is like a :party: :lol:
after read susiwong's link I never considered the damage possibly done to a condensor so I'm thinking the need to mod the cab is greatly reduced (though I do wonder if I might swap out the speaker with one of my celestions)
Well i am thinking something like this:

Orignal/pre-installed goose neck mic - an EV RE-20 with the Variable D thing would be great hanging just like the one in that namm video
Hole 2: Sennhieser MD421 on some sort of mic mount bolted to the bottom and off axis slightly
Hole 3: a bit of a complex one this since it involves an Audio Technica AE250DE dual element mic which contains both a dynamic and a condenser element, totally phase alligined (the cheaper version of the AE2500DE i already have) on another goose neck. However the cable which comes with it is a single xlr into the mic which terminates onto two seperate xlr mic pre inputs. Here is the mic i am talking about:

http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/product ... prodID=537 (that is the original more pricey one)
http://eu.audio-technica.com/en/product ... rodID=1272 (the model i am think will go well in the ISO cab and sounds very similar to the AE2500DE also/VFM)

So already that is 4 microphones (3 in actual size). I will get fifteen in the thing some how ;)

Seriously though those three with maybe one of my ribbons and the almost obligatory 57 depending on amp and guitar characteristcs as i will not solely be using it to track myself. Would be a good range of flavours and have all bases covered, anything needing a roomy sound would get fed into a regular cab and a LDC placed at a sensible distance to the grille cloth would cover everything really :tu:

Oh i am excited now :hyper: :love: everything about it, just have to wait and see what it sounds like for myself now and oh yes speaker subject to change/swapping out like a hot swap disk drive ;)

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Hink wrote:you could also spend over a grand for a 1960 4x12 :roll: Seriously, Marshall is on crack...
That's indeed crazy ... 1960s in perfect condition go for around 250 to 350 € here used ... :shock:
Ymmv,
susiwong

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susiwong wrote:
Hink wrote:you could also spend over a grand for a 1960 4x12 :roll: Seriously, Marshall is on crack...
That's indeed crazy ... 1960s in perfect condition go for around 250 to 350 € here used ... :shock:
Might be on crack but they will continue to sell more cabs than anybody else, because rock & roll is an image game as much as it is a sound game.

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futurefields wrote:
susiwong wrote:
Hink wrote:you could also spend over a grand for a 1960 4x12 :roll: Seriously, Marshall is on crack...
That's indeed crazy ... 1960s in perfect condition go for around 250 to 350 € here used ... :shock:
Might be on crack but they will continue to sell more cabs than anybody else, because rock & roll is an image game as much as it is a sound game.
just curious, what game do you play?
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To go further off topic, is it just me, or does that look a lot like "wheel of fortune"

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Ok, so all this talk of real amps and micing them got me re-interested in doing it and actually recording something. This tune will please Susiwong and all you 70's rockers.

Just Got Paid - ZZ Top cover, but kind of the way Joe Bonamassa does it minus the extended jam with all the Zeppelin riffs thrown in.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/kvr%20s ... 0cover.mp3

Cranked the amp to an insane level (well master was only halfway up on 5) and yes it got hard to monitor with the headphones and hard to hear the backing tracks sometimes with the amp being in the same room. I hope it didn't cause tinnitus :-o

Tubescreamer clean boosting the Soldano Hot Rod 50 in vintage crunch mode on clean channel on medium gain with a dark bassy heavy tone dialed in on the amp EQ. Mic, a vintage Shure SM53, is moved a good 4-5 inches back to compensate for the heavy bass response coming from the cab. Just an M-Audio USB Mobile Pre as the preamp. Midi drums and bass.

The Shure SM53 mic I used, if the history of how it was acquired is accurate, could be the very mic that recorded the Free Bird and Sweet Home Alabama guitar tracks and the other songs on that Skynyrd album. If there were live recordings, those as well.

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metalifuxx wrote:Ok, so all this talk of real amps and micing them got me re-interested in doing it and actually recording something. This tune will please Susiwong and all you 70's rockers.

Just Got Paid - ZZ Top cover, but kind of the way Joe Bonamassa does it minus the extended jam with all the Zeppelin riffs thrown in.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6185854/kvr%20s ... 0cover.mp3

Cranked the amp to an insane level (well master was only halfway up on 5) and yes it got hard to monitor with the headphones and hard to hear the backing tracks sometimes with the amp being in the same room. I hope it didn't cause tinnitus :-o

Tubescreamer clean boosting the Soldano Hot Rod 50 in vintage crunch mode on clean channel on medium gain with a dark bassy heavy tone dialed in on the amp EQ. Mic, a vintage Shure SM53, is moved a good 4-5 inches back to compensate for the heavy bass response coming from the cab. Just an M-Audio USB Mobile Pre as the preamp. Midi drums and bass.

The Shure SM53 mic I used, if the history of how it was acquired is accurate, could be the very mic that recorded the Free Bird and Sweet Home Alabama guitar tracks and the other songs on that Skynyrd album. If there were live recordings, those as well.
Good one ! :tu:
I'll do a quick'n'dirty version with my JMP-1 later, for comparison.
Thanks,
susiwong

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I love the tone of that soldano......WANT!

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metalifuxx wrote:The Shure SM53 mic I used, if the history of how it was acquired is accurate, could be the very mic that recorded the Free Bird and Sweet Home Alabama guitar tracks and the other songs on that Skynyrd album. If there were live recordings, those as well.
That makes it a mycryphyne ... :P
Cool !
susiwong

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I'm going to try to record some stuff through the amp tomorrow. Bit of a problem - I'm running a fully Wampler pedal board right now, so for the purposes of the review, that would constitute a conflict of interest, right? Man, swapping out like 8 pedals and getting volume settings and everything dialed in is going to suck. Might do a whole Barber lineup, with a Digitech or two thrown in, why not.

Oooh, and the Timmy V2. I never did record anything after I bought that and it's a great overdrive. Paul's a stand-up guy, too.

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Agreed wrote:I'm going to try to record some stuff through the amp tomorrow. Bit of a problem - I'm running a fully Wampler pedal board right now, so for the purposes of the review, that would constitute a conflict of interest, right?.
For your blog, maybe, yes.
You should probably steer clear from any pedal reviews there.
Here @ kvr however, what harm should be done ?
Your signature makes things perfectly clear.
Personally I'd enjoy hearing some convincing Wampler clips.
Again, comparing them to others might look a bit weird.
Just my opinion,
ymmv,
susiwong

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Well i think you all have seen and also heard the Nekrotized cab in action? Its been the best cab i have had. Regarding marshall cabs - I have an old 900 Lead series 1936 2x12" which is ok and cost me nothing. The other Marshall cab i had and really liked was the ModeFour massively oversized straight fronted 4x12" - that thing is a bloody monster for my needs but also due to real bad back problems totally silly to go for another one. Never bothered with any other Marshall Cabs but have obviously used alot of 1960A/AV and straight versions. Probably will end up with a jet city 4x12" or something similar and putt in my choice of speakers. First i will be rooting through the used/ex-demo stuff course and see if anything pops up. I am most pleased with my Weinbrock Custom Compact 1x15" but that was pricey and they do not do a production 4x12" so i just know it will be very pricey but i know how quality it will be. I will find something and not in a massive hurry as i can easily borrow a 4x12" if needed and i have the 2x12" and 1x15". I could simply replace the speakers inside the nekro cab but if the speakers all went in harmony then i am sure the cabinet itself has something to do with it and it really has had a good innings and i know someone who will definately find it useful who i see/work with often anyway :) Oh as well made the hi-watt re-issue range cabs are - they still weigh in HEAVY Hink (see below for issues :D but appreciate the info anyway)

I might not even end up with a 4x12" if say a 2x12" with a monster low-end i find. The lighter the better due to a destroyed and degenerative spine/multiple-disc/lots of shot nerves back condition (I do not moan about it much but it really hampers what i can realistically use guitar wise and also cart around cabinet wise :shrug: I will find something)

Cheers guys :tu:

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Not sure about the model, but HK used to make some extremely light cabs in the early 90s, afair blue with an electrolytic flake surface, maybe you can find one of these cheap and put decent speakers in ? Weight including speakers was around 22 kilos or so, afair.
Or talk with a local furniture maker about light wood, you don't want a shiny surface, so a custom build should not be that expensive either.
Or put in helium tanks, hey, what was good enough for the Hindenburg ...
Ymmv,
susiwong





Ok, maybe better forget about the last one.

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