DMGAudio Compassion (Launched)

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DaveGamble wrote:
Dr.Gunjah wrote:
DaveGamble wrote:
ChinmayL wrote:Does COMPassion model the harmonics or saturation added by other compressors? For example, I believe Waves Studio Classics / CLA, Softube's FET and CL1B, The Glue, etc. all model the behavior but also the sound of the compressor (harmonics, etc.). Is this what the Mods do in COMPassion or is it more like the compressor models in Logic's stock compressor? I'm having a hard time getting COMPassion to sound similar to the others...(I bring this up because I've seen people say COMPassion has replaced their other compressors).
2) Saturation and the like from overdriving the signalpath (valve units, solid state stuff clipping, etc)
2) No.
... which inevitably leads to the question: Can we expect a highly versatile dmgaudio saturation processor in the future? :P
Inevitably
YAY :D
And another question about this:
Fix: VST2 bypass
what was wrong here?
canDo("Bypass") wasn't implemented. No linkage between VST2 Bypass API call and internal bypass mech. Now it is linked. :)
hmm... I will have to test if this is good or bad news.
When bypassing Compassion 1.0 latency was untouched. Has this changed now? (please... no :cry: )
edit: sorry, I was mistaken about this. The behaviour is equal to the bypass in Equality(no matter which version). When having latency (for example with large lookahead) pushing the bypass button introduces crackles in the sound which is unpleasing when doing A/B comparisons.
It would be cool if you could make a preference for this, something like "keep latency on bypass (yes/no)". If people want to get rid off the latency there is still the host bypass.
If A-R is not coupled, there are two separate circuits for Attack and Release, the order of which can be changed with the AR Order control (Attack first or Release first). Almost all AR-decoupled circuits use a low-pass filter for the Attack circuit (which, naturally, causes an interaction with the release shape). With the Attack Type control, you can blend between the Attack circuit being a filter and being an actual attack filter (with instantaneous release).
Ah ok, got it. thanks!

While reading the manual there came across another question (sorry :D):
What is the difference between "Output Trim" in the global settings and "Drive" on the Clip Limiter?
If I understood correctly, the Clip Limiter is behind the dry/wet mixer so both "Drive" and "Output Trim" seem to be redundant (except for the Drive control only being active when Clip Limiter is engaged...?)
edit: the more I think about, the more it seems to me that placing output trim behind the clip limiter (at the very end of the chain?) makes more sense.
People will unlikely use it when configuring the clip limiter because there is "Drive" - though having the output trim behind the clipper then would provide the possibility to change the global output of the plugin.
With clip limiter off people won't even care if Output Trim is before or behind it.
Maybe I'm still missing a fact here :)

and another edit:
Finally had time to really test 1.02 now.
Good update so far :)
Mousewheel on advanced parameters works fine.
The graph on 20%/10% speed is far better, but the hard green/red contrast is still quite punishing for the eye (can anyone confirm this? maybe it's just my screen). Additionally, now that I can actually see the graph, I find it still not that useful. Especially the waveform doesn't really help at setting up the comp but eats up the most space. The attack and release graphics at top and bottom (is this for L/R?) are generally a good idea, but they are too small, especially at low GR values. It's ok for a very raw indication of compression activity, but compared to the GR display in Pro-C (sorry for another comparison to Fabfilter :oops:) it lacks "visual precision".
Last but not least.. what does the new Parallel split mode exactly? (does it compress the 2 bands independently?)

Cheers,
Doc
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Anyone help me out with the transient section. Can i get a nice snappy attack with this where i seriously boost only the first 5-10 ms by something like 6-10 db? When i try this all i seem to get is a really distorted mess. Either that or if i lengthen the envelope it doesnt become snappy.....

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Dave,
would it be possible, to have a separate Lookahead for the limiter ?
Most of the time, I would like to use the comp without Lookahead,
while the limiter should really brickwall, which means it needs Lookahead.

bye, Jan

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[never mind... I just discovered there was a manual!! Will comment again if relevant... :oops: ]
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_dada_ wrote:Dave,
would it be possible, to have a separate Lookahead for the limiter ?
Most of the time, I would like to use the comp without Lookahead,
while the limiter should really brickwall, which means it needs Lookahead.

bye, Jan
I thought the same thing while trying.

Actually; why not a separate clipper? then we can buss comp, clip and limit (or option the select which comes first in chain) in a single plug-in which is probably a ME's dream come true.

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Bug:

In Reaper 3.76 and Live 8.2.2 XP 32 the LP SPLIT (PL) setting will not load after closing a project. The older Split mode works fine..

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_dada_ wrote:Dave,
would it be possible, to have a separate Lookahead for the limiter ...
For now I would simply use two instances of COMPassion :)
But introducing a separate lookahead for the Limiter would be welcome (and would bring all important parameters for the limiter into one pane)
Cooker wrote:Actually; why not a separate clipper? then we can buss comp, clip and limit (or option the select which comes first in chain) in a single plug-in which is probably a ME's dream come true.
I thought the Clipper actually *is* a separate unit within COMPassion.

Johannes
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Tscho wrote:
_dada_ wrote:Dave,
would it be possible, to have a separate Lookahead for the limiter ...
For now I would simply use two instances of COMPassion :)
But introducing a separate lookahead for the Clipper would be welcome (an would bring all important parameters for the limiter into one pane)
Cooker wrote:Actually; why not a separate clipper? then we can buss comp, clip and limit (or option the select which comes first in chain) in a single plug-in which is probably a ME's dream come true.
I thought the Clipper actually *is* a separate unit within COMPassion.

Johannes
From manual as I understand the clipper is actually the limiter when attack-release is set to zero (same can be done with fabfilter limiter). Adding lookahead to clipper doesn't make much sense but for limiter it can be extremely useful.

adding 2 or more instances is a solution but if it won't further complicate things being able to create the chain (in the order we prefer) in 1 instance would be very comfortable.

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Oh, it seems I did not read your post carefully enough. I did not realise that you were talking about three stages. I never heard about doing both Clipping and Limiting in sequence. What is the benefit?

Johannes

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Thats ok (my english sucks :)), combination of both can be more transparent like dealing with fast spikes with clipper and push a little more with limiter. I need loudness for rock often so that approach is more common for me. Though I guess with different music, current design of plug-in should mostly work good.

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Finally got my new computer - win7x64.
Installed the 64 bit Compassion, now the mousewheel doesn't work anymore (Reaper 3.76 x64) :(

Cheers,
Doc

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An earlier poster requested a schematic ; I second the motion .......

Also could use a block flow chart and some expansion on the different nomenclature used in the manual . For instance , I can see by the way the transfer curve graph changes , that this emulates how many analog units have a non-linear response above threshold . I think DMG is using a term "ceiling" that I've seen more often called range ( yet I think "range" the term chosen for use in the gate section of the manual ....)

But I'm also seeing the curve above threshold isn't just limited in range , but is also non-linear .

I'm having fun looking at the mods and the "archetype" settings from famous , Iconic unit's.....


Basically , I'm no compressor noob ( nor do I know as much as Dave either !) BUT.................


I think that with a unit that has this many parameters ( which of course leads to many blessed possibilities also !!)

A Manual That is A CUT ABOVE the usually mediocre one that come with so many vst effects is DEFIANTLY in order!!!!! 8)
Financial solvency and KVR Mix as well as oil and water.

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Thanks Contrary! Yup, I asked for a flow diagram but no one else seemed to pick up on the idea. At least for me, I find it truly valuable for helping understand where things are in the signal path and why turning a knob here can effect things there...especially with a tool as involved as COMPassion.

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Count me in!

Johannes

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for fun...
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"almost-Fab-ulous" mod... :wink:

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